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By AMELIA THOMSON-DEVEAUX
Updated 11:08 AM EDT, September 8, 2025

Capitalism’s image has slipped with U.S. adults overall since 2021, the survey finds, and the results show a gradual but persistent shift in Democrats’ support for the two ideologies over the past 15 years, with socialism rising as capitalism falls. The shifts underscore deep divisions within the party about whether open support for socialism will hurt Democrats’ ability to reach moderates or galvanize greater support from people who are concerned about issues like the cost of living.

...But Democrats under 50 are much less likely to view capitalism favorably, while the opinions of Democrats ages 50 and older haven’t shifted meaningfully, according to Gallup.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I just don't see how you can both acknowledge that capitalists have an outsized influence but think the state is impartial.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 0 points 32 minutes ago (1 children)

Because that influence can and has been entailed. The influence is ultimately advertising. I mean all of that does not matter when im speaking to someone who wants to put the cart before the horse. The state precedes the economic system. The articles of confederation failed precisely because of its economic ruleset and was replaced by the constitution. Democracy and rights are what matter first. They are not afterthoughts.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

No, the influence isn't in advertising alone. The state is thoroughly embedded in the private system of production, corporate lobbying and control of industry gives capitalists absolute power in the system. Voting doesn't mean much if the options workers can vote for don't actually represent their interests. Nobody is putting the cart before the horse, democracy in a capitalist system is a sham to begin with. It isn't an afterthought, it's that the extent to which oppressed classes can influence society through voting is only within the boundaries pre-approved by the ruling class.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 43 seconds ago

How? Legitimately, how can you see the entrenchment of corporations with government and the massive influence the capitalists have, and think that the working class has equal footing?