I truly hope he doesn't turn out the way I think he will turn out. I know we have a lot of people on here who love Mamdani, and I'm not trying to pick a fight. But goddamn, he's not beating the allegations these days.

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[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Lenin advocated exploiting bourgeois elections as an opportunity for a proletarian vanguard party to build class consciousness, communicate a revolutionary socialist program, and exercise collective power where it can be leveraged within the bourgeois electoral system toward the aim of weakening the bourgeois state in the short term to facilitate overthrowing it in the long term.”

…is a very different premise than…

“Lenin advocated proletarians organizing to promote a liberal bourgeois victory in liberal bourgeois elections in the hope that, with the right Great Man leading the liberal party, some mysterious intermediary step will result in the bourgeois party choosing to declare the imposition of socialism against their own material class interests and without any need for a vanguard, a proletarian party, a revolution, or violence of any kind.”

Lenin unapologetically pursued the former, while the DSA, CPUSA, and other major imperial “leftist” organizations explicitly adopt some variation of the latter as their platform.

I feel like…

Lenin relentlessly advocated for electoralism.

…obfuscates the very real differences between the two, and launders the historical failure of one strategy in the historical success of the other.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, and I 100% agree with you on all points. There is no party doing point A, like you said, only doing point B. I simply get the feeling that some comrades in this thread who would still see point A and still tell you you're falling for it.

Im not saying DSA is doing A, that much is true. They have the ability to start doing A however, and caucuses inside the DSA want to do A, and are lobbying to do A from what I've been lead to believe by people in the organization.

But again, some people think any electoralism is falling for it, and draw no distinction between A and B.