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Hello, Iโ€™m doing some research for my family and friends to help them navigate the tech space and recommend them some better privacy focused alternatives. Iโ€™ve been stuck with the most important piece: instant messaging.

Ideally I would like something:

  • decentralised
  • Foss
  • Possibly not tied to phone number
  • Encrypted
  • Not funded by an US or Israeli company
  • Fairly easy to use by not tech people

If I manage to convince them, I canโ€™t make them change in a year or so, the alternative needs to be future-proof.

  • Signal: is Foss (not completely) but not decentralised (one โ€œwrongโ€ update and we are back to square one) + very much american funded
  • Matrix: foss and decentralised but funded by an Israeli company (sorry I really canโ€™t)
  • Telegram: phone number registration, not fully encrypted, server proprietary
  • Theema: server side not open source
  • IRC: no video/audio calls, not encrypted

That leaves me with SimpleX and XMPP, I think (I donโ€™t know much about them). What do you guys use/recommend?

Iโ€™m reading [this wiki page].(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols?wprov=sfti1#Table_of_instant_messaging_protocols)

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[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We can a) pretend I meant it in the literal sense of ownership b) take it as I meant it, meaning it's yours because you can use it, modify it and the company creating it can't take it away from you.

[โ€“] Mihies@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can use it and modify it as long as license permits it. Owner could theoretically enforce the license.

[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 2 days ago

Which you can with open source, that's kinda its whole shtick. If you can't, it's not open source, but source available.

[โ€“] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I really donโ€™t trust anything Israel makes at this point. Like I wouldnโ€™t be surprised if the protocol has somehow a backdoor and Iโ€™m not that expert I can check myself.

[โ€“] blackfire@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Such a reach you're almost in space.

[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, the original protocol is from the US, then switched to a UK company, then to some non-profit. It never was developed by Israel.

And yeah, military country like Israel investing money into something their military can use for secret communication - what a surprise.

I get it, you're not a fan of Israel, but this is ridiculous.

[โ€“] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From wikipedia:

The initial project was created inside Amdocs, while building a chat tool called "Amdocs Unified Communications", by Matthew Hodgson and Amandine Le Pape. Amdocs then funded most of the development work from 2014 to October 2017.

Iโ€™m okay ignoring it, I honestly donโ€™t give a fuck about their protocol, itโ€™s not my company. There are plenty of alternatives.

You might think itโ€™s ridiculous but the country is committing genocide, sorry if I want to sleep at night and have a bit of morals. Jeez..

[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, not liking Israel is not the ridiculous thing, but you coming to the conclusion that because they invest money into a protocol, it's bad.

Matrix (the organisation) doesn't create the most popular server implementation, nor the most popular client.

And that's where your hate of Israel gets ridiculous, because they happen to want an encrypted communication software (again, what a surprise for a military country), you lock yourself out of a perfectly fine solution that Israel doesn't even touch directly at all.

[โ€“] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Letโ€™s put it this way, I do believe that matrix accepting money from israel is morally disgusting and I wonโ€™t use them. It could be the best system in the world, I am not using it. Iโ€™m not asking anyone to convince me, I am already convinced, can we move on now?

[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh, this discussion wasn't for you, it was for others who might falsely assume your claims to be facts and would lock themselves out of a reasonably secure federated system.