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[โ€“] jabjoe@feddit.uk 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What is desperately needed by all the open source navigation apps on Android is traffic info. You just can't plan a half decent route without it. Speed limits info is not enough to know the time a route will take. You need the actural average speed of the roads. Especially on old European roads.

[โ€“] fading_person@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But how to do that reliably and with up-to-date info if not invading the privacy of people?

[โ€“] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago

Legally forced sharing from all platforms with onion routing and no ID? Government road data fed by all those cameras? Seams a solvable problem if done with privacy in mind not as yet another opportunity for mass surveillance.

[โ€“] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, we all did just fine before Waze existed.

[โ€“] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nope. I was frequently late when using any number of open sat navs without traffic info. I end up reverting to close Waze or Google Maps.

[โ€“] rmuk@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's hard to overstate what a big deal real-time traffic data was/is. And I have to wonder, how many traffic jams are prevented - or at least reduced - by it. How did we manage before Waze et al.? We were just late a lot more.

[โ€“] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

How did we manage before Waze et al.?

I (and i suspect most people who cared to know) listened to a local radio station who reported on traffic during high (or abnormal) traffic periods of the day.

[โ€“] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can people not scrape other platforms and train their ~~AI~~ openstreetmaps on publicly available information

[โ€“] Agosagror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Doubt it. OSM doesn't allow contributors to rip from Google and alike, scraping would be included in that presumably. Google has the copyright here.

[โ€“] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How would Google realistically prevent it from happening slowly organically from real people who happen to look it up

[โ€“] Agosagror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

If incorrect data gets copied thats quite a good indicator that we are copying google.

If it's one person, maybe google doesn't care, but frankly I think we should want to get the data in such a way that google doesn't even get to make a noise about it.

[โ€“] jabjoe@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

Traffic isn't like that. Sure there are patterns and constants, but there is accidents and road closures, etc.

[โ€“] Europellinore@europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago

As far as I know HERE WeGo app is based on OSM and also includes life traffic info