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I believe that degrading the army of one of the US greatest geopolitical world rivals at the cost of roughly 3% of the DoD budget is money well spent. In that there is no US blood is an added advantage. The Ukrainians are fighting this war for their own purpose, to reject tyrannical rule. That's something that's happened for a millennium, including the American revolution.
The US didn't impose this war, 100,000 Russians invading did. As France helped the US during the revolution, the US helps Ukraine.
They're not gonna let you into the club just because you lick the boot leather. I believe the 100.000s of dead ukrainians are more important than some vague US geopolitical goal.
The ukrainians are forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving their country. They do not want to fight.
Yeah one day putler just woke up and felt like invading, that's what happened.
If you think this is such a good war, go volunteer.
The Ukrainians could stop this war anytime they want, as could Putin.
Reality is the Russians invaded. They rejected world order.
Based.
World order is acknowledging sovereign countries exist and it's wrong to invade them
Right right, which countries acknowledge that Palestine exists again?
You don’t care. You’ve never cared! Stop lying to our fucking faces you gremlin, you love this! You love this war because you’re a mindless western drone that loves cheering for imperialism and the deaths of the enemies of ‘the west’
You don’t give a single fuck about countries sovereignty, nor of human rights, nor of life and liberty
Fuck off
Look in a mirror my friend, you may see a hypocrite staring back.
Fantastic response, great way to engage with the other persons arguments and show you're not a total fucking dumbass
The United States has invaded many more countries than Russia and China, and yet they are sanctioned for doing so/if America thinks they might do so, while not a single person in the American government is punished for the deaths of millions. They even get promoted and hired again on later governments! America created the world order! Rules for thee, not for me!
Russia was sanctioned by NATO countries.
NATO is an arm of the US
Each country has one vote. The US is just one country of 31 member states
Sure, there's no power imbalance between the global hegemonic ruler and its "allies". The fact that on paper they each get a vote means its perfectly equal
Don't you remember when Europe voted to have their pipeline blown up last year?
libs will say this and then turn around and say "BRICS is just an arm of China, it's dominated by them economically"
(not that that point is entirely false, BRICS is indeed economically dominated by China and I wonder if there would be half as much interest for countries to join if China wasn't in it, but India is a pretty big counterweight to China's power in BRICS in practice)
The Ukrainian government could, the same government that banned every political party that wasn't sufficiently anti-Russia. And the last time the people got to vote, they elected Zelensky who ran as a peace candidate. So no, the people of Ukraine, the ones being drafted and sent to the front lines, have very little say over whether Ukraine negotiates for peace.
Wait a minute...you expect a country to tolerate those sympathetic with a country.that they're at war with?
I thought Ukraine were the Good Guys (tm)? Good Guys don't repress political groups because they disagree with them, they should debate them in the marketplace of ideas.
The US jailed every leader of the US Nazi Bund as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund.
What does the US have to do with this? Ukraine is fighting this war.
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
"The american governemnt banned nazi sympathizers, please don't look too closely into our post war rocket programs"
"Wait a minute" None of this surprises you. Youre doing this for show. You want us to feel guilty about our beliefs, and your plan is to act shocked and bewildered by things you know. Begone debate-pervert
There were Nazi groups in the US at the beginning of WWIi. They were quite large. Within a year, every leader of the Bund was interned or jailed as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund
And now we send them tanks