this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2025
926 points (97.1% liked)
196
5514 readers
1060 users here now
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
Other rules
Behavior rules:
- No bigotry (transphobia, racism, etc…)
- No genocide denial
- No support for authoritarian behaviour (incl. Tankies)
- No namecalling
- Accounts from lemmygrad.ml, threads.net, or hexbear.net are held to higher standards
- Other things seen as cleary bad
Posting rules:
- No AI generated content (DALL-E etc…)
- No advertisements
- No gore / violence
- Mutual aid posts are not allowed
NSFW: NSFW content is permitted but it must be tagged and have content warnings. Anything that doesn't adhere to this will be removed. Content warnings should be added like: [penis], [explicit description of sex]. Non-sexualized breasts of any gender are not considered inappropriate and therefore do not need to be blurred/tagged.
Also, when sharing art (comics etc.) please credit the creators.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact us on our matrix channel or email.
Other 196's:
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Considering the entire East is supporting Russia's genocide in Ukraine, I'm going to say "we're not the only ones".
China and North Korea are the entire East?
Where do Japan and South Korea stand?
India's purchase of oil from Russia amounts to less than all the trade that the EU does with Russia and a lot of that isn't even for a vital resource. It's also purchased within a price cap framework set by the West and economists globally agree that someone needs to buy Russian oil or oil prices will skyrocket due to reduced supply.
I wouldn't see this as supporting the war unless you feel that the EU also supports Russia.
I don't think this can be painted as a simple West vs East issue.
And if we're going to talk about genocide I can think of one that most genocide scholars agree upon that happens to be heavily (if not solely) funded by the West.
Putin can freely set foot in the US, China, Orban's Hungary and... you guess: the good friend India.
Anywhere in the EU; he would been arrested and investigated for crime against humanity thanks to ICC agreement. But it's not all fine in the EU: fascist governments like Orban and Meloni are fighting back the ICC because they want to be free to "friendly host" criminals exactly like US, China and India are doing.
Who else would be jailed up and investigated for war crimes by ICC?
Netanyahu.
That's a wonderful sentiment but maybe they need to put their money where their mouth is and cease all trade with Russia if they're serious about it.
What's happening in the Ukraine is evil and fucked up but it's war, not genocide.
This isn't to cheapen the damage Russia has done nor excuse their actions but genocide has a distinct meaning.
Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
The 1948 Genocide Convention defines genocide as any of five 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group'.[14][15] The acts in question include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. [14] Genocide is a crime of special intent (dolus specialis); it is carried out deliberately, with victims targeted based on real or perceived membership in a protected group.[15] The genocides recognised under the 1948 legal definition that led to trials in international criminal tribunals are the Cambodian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, and the Srebrenica massacre.[11]
Given that Ukrainian children are being captured and indoctrinated, and it's hard to see Putin being happy with the existence of the nation itself as anything but a suzerainty, it feels like we're ticking enough boxes not to clutch any pearls about applying the word "genocide".
It sucks to know that there are multiple concurrent genocides, some more intense than others, that are being treated way differently because of racism and money in politics. But it doesn't diminish the crimes of, e.g., Israel to call Russia's aggression also genocide.
Your definition isn't wrong. That's also why what Russia is doing isn't genocide.
That things have been done, or as you're saying MAY be done may apply to aspects of what is in actuality a horribly misguided war, does not mean it satisfies the criteria for fenocide.
Like. You understand that when you bold things that the stuff that you did not bold is still there right?
The war is horribly misguided, evil, and appalling but it is a war. War crimes have certainly been committed but not on the scale necessary to classify it as genocide, nor with the demonstrable intent to eliminate the Ukrainian people entirely.
Your cherry picking of the definition would mean that all war is genocide. Which, if you believe that, fine, but don't be intellectually dishonest about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
https://icj-cij.org/case/182
https://unric.org/en/international-court-of-justice-ukraine-v-russia/
You might have missed the bit where genocide is any of the five things? It says it right there.
It doesn't matter. It shouldn't be happening and we can't stop it by bickering.
Whataboutism