Weirdly this seems to work better on techy people who don't like thinking about politics but understand the technical details of this extremely well than it does on normie progressives because progressives just see the obvious predatory reality and don't get distracted in minutiae connected to very obviously empty promises.

The tech press does not ever talk to progressives though...

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Does it? None of my normie progressive friends are on the fediverse. The ones that tried it didn't like it.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

calling people normies tends to do that

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The tech press is talking to your normie friends?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No I’m saying the logic and propaganda of corporate social media seems to work on them, despite it being in obvious contrast to their ideals.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm with you. To my knowledge all my irl woke friends ride only mainstream social media.

I had a local anarchist reach out to me on my ancient FB Messenger of all things.

I get that it's not the most important part if you're doing prefiguration, but as far as I can tell most people just want to be where most people are, even if it is supporting actually vile corporations.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Unfortunately not understanding or being sufficiently motivated by the threat of corporate social media is still prevalent among a good amount of lefties I know, but I find even when they are uninterested in leaving corporate social media they can at least understand the logic behind it in a way a lot of techy type people start to just get combatitive when you try to explain.

Most often when I have a conversation about this with someone who is very technically well versed with computers and the types of systems that are relevant to federated social media their response is to answer every one of my broader ethical questions by changing the topic to a conversation about technical details and they either utterly miss the point or outright refuse to have a discussion about it because they think I am being too cynical.

Ultimately these people only have one real argument which is to just repeat the mantra "stop being so negative, lets just wait and see before we jump to conclusions" endlessly about the same cycle of bullshit repeating over and over again.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They didn't mean those kind of progressives. Not the political one. But the ones that actually see beyond VC backed big tech.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I see the distinction you're making here. Usually those groups are highly overlapping.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago

🤷

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

this seems to work better on techy people who don't like thinking about politics but understand the technical details

Not weird at all; this was the case with cryptocurrency too. Otherwise qualified and intelligent people would invest in centralized scam coins because they had no understanding of economics, just tech.

It's sad but cool that it works the same way with social capital.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Intelligence and expertise is worth pursuing for the benefit that comes from learning for the sake of learning, but it is true that there is a danger to knowing more and more about a very narrow subject in that it becomes more and more seductive to believe that the thing you are an expert in is a key to understanding everything else and that this gives you a righteous vantage to look down upon the genius of others and judge from afar.

Some of the smartest people there has ever been or likely will ever be throughout history have time and time again completely undermined their potential by falling prey to this delusional drug of a belief.