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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You can't argue it's always bad if you only look at it in one situation. You can argue it was bad while the US was ensuring it wouldn't succeed. That's a different claim though. Make that claim and you're fine. Make the claim that it proved communism can't work and then you're plainly wrong.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

If I had billionaire money, I would buy EVE Online and spin off a project: a set of isolated but mirrored galaxies (shards), each with an enforced economic system. After two or so years, I would then allow players to leave their home servers and interact with the other galaxies, doing trade, politics, and war with each other. After another two years, tally up the player QOL and count for each of the servers to determine which economy was most successful.

That would let us simulate the economies by themselves, then see how they interact on even footing.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I wasn't the one making the original claim. I'm just saying that if the theory expects a vacuum or zero opposition then it's a pretty poor theory to follow in real world. More like a hypothetical.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It has nothing to do with communism though. Nothing would survive it. It doesn't require zero opposition, but any functioning government can't survive well with most of the world trying to collapse it. With that said, Cuba is doing fairly well despite that.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It just makes it sound dubious that it would ever work unless this opposition suddenly vanished. I know the theory was (is) that eventually situation would be such that despite that opposition, it should triumph. But I guess that situation hasn't been reached.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if there'd would be quite as much opposition today. There'd be some obviously, but when the USSR was growing everyone was so much more invested in "stopping the spread of socialism."

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

I don't think there's as much vocal opposition now because it's not being taken as a serious threat right now. If that were to change, I'm sure opposition would ramp up.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You should look into leninism, which explicitly does not do that at all. Understanding how global material conditions and economic interests affect the local application of Marxist theory is like the whole point of large portion of what Lenin wrote