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[–] Homesnatch@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The original plan for ACA had a single-payer option.

The compromised ACA itself passed the house only by a couple votes. The party is not a monolith and had a number of moderates that opposed single-payer.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The original plan for ACA had a single-payer option.

Like hell it did.

The compromised ACA

The version they always intended to pass.

The party is not a monolith

They expect the voters to vote as a bloc but won't do so themselves.

and had a number of moderates that opposed single-payer.

No matter how big a majority democrats have, they always find just enough no votes.

[–] svtdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's Manchin, straight up. And then Ted Kennedy died and they lost the supermajority and had to pass what the Senate had already voted on because anything different would be filibustered.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It was lieberman and nelson. manchin hadn't rotated in yet.

[–] svtdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're right, and let's not forget the Franken recount that lasted until June. So a very brief window to get stuff done.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They could have completely done away with the filibuster forever with only 50.

I will never accept the "we need 60 to get anything done" excuse. It just means "we don't want to do anything."

[–] svtdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I don't really buy that. Even the Rs haven't gone that far. Imagine how much worse things could be if they had.

[–] Homesnatch@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You're arguing against well-known historical fact. You have a lot of emotional angst getting in the way of your judgment and understanding of nuance.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/obama-shying-away-public-option-or-not

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

The public option was not single payer. It also was never meant to be in the final bill. It was the bargaining chip they were dangling to negotiate with the republicans. When the republicans showed themselves to be unmoveable, they had to get Lieberman to play the part to get rid of it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Your article doesn't back up your ridiculous lie that single payer was the original plan for the ACA.

Also, gaslighting is abuse, and it's no surprise that the republican-adjacent wing of the party resorts to it so quickly.