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I can understand why governments would push for something like this after 9/11, though it of course goes without saying that this is a totally unacceptable violation of someone's basic rights. It also goes without saying that governments always want more control over their citizens, but what exactly are they so worried might happen, right now, in 2025 or the near future?

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The Internet has become popular enough that governments care about what happens on it. And it's not just European countries, US states too (at least for age verification).

More specifically for your two points:

Encryption

It used to be that very little Internet traffic was encrypted, much less end-to-end encrypted. After 2013 (Snowden revelations), this changed, e.g. messengers started to E2EE, many more websites than previously started to use HTTPS. So all we are seeing now is the reaction to those positive changes...

Age verification

This has to do with mobile devices more than anything else. I think a lot of parents now just hand their children smartphones or tablets and may then be surprised that their children can then access things they don't want their children to access. This was less of a thing in the desktop era because it was easier to see what children were doing online if it was happening on a huge computer in the living room...

Now personally I don't think anyone (including young people) should ever be prohibited from watching or reading anything they actively want to see. For preventing young people from accidentally accessing porn, an "are you over 18" banner ought to be enough... I don't think people who want to prevent that kind of access want anything legitimate. But you asked about why it's happening now and not at another time and I think this is the answer.

Sidenote: I remember reading that when television was newly introduced in East Germany, it was still able to be somewhat critical of the regime; after some years, this stopped because a lot more citizens were able to watch it. The equivalent of that is currently happening to the Internet.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

messengers started to E2EE

This is a big deal. I've had the archetypal non-technical user, my mother send me a PGP encrypted email. It will probably come as no surprise to anyone who has done so that this did not become our default.

Now the majority of our messaging and calling is via Signal. It's effortless.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yup, that is why (if memory serves) the chat control proposal has rules in it that look like they were specifically written for messengers, the authors seem to have no clue that encryption can, you know, just be run on any device using publicly available algorithms...

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Once they figure that out, they'll probably just make any encryption illegal...

Then we will probably just develop encryption algorithms that look like regular text messages, or hide the encrypted content inside some audio, image, video or other normal types of files.

[–] Sailor88@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

My signal chats will all start with:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

Soon, I'm guessing.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] ell1e@leminal.space 4 points 6 days ago

It's not only likely, it seems like it already happened and the EU appears to have actually announced a copy of the UK Online Safety Act for 2026 already: https://leminal.space/post/25089051/17854998