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I'm fine with communists so long as they go all the way and completly abolish the state. No half-assing it.
Maybe just a bit of state? Just to see how it feels?
The thing is, states are tools for one class to oppress another. So as long as global capitalism (and thus capitalist encirclement) exist, abolishing the state is inviting defeat before the battle even started...
But I do 100% agree that there can be no communism while we still have states. It's just that once capitalism has been destroyed, the state as a tool of class oppression will cease to have any legitimation.
(And yes, I do think that liquidating capitalists as a class and keeping them from reemerging is a good and necessary thing (ie. "class oppression"). Just from the side of the working people oppressing capitalists and this is BTW what Marxists mean when talking about the DOTP (Dictatorship of the Proletariat))
You aren't a communist (of the Marxian variety) if you don't believe a proletarian state is necessary to secure the revolution from the inevitable bouregois counter revolution. The main disagreement with anarchist that communist have is the belief that the state can be done away with outright through shear will. So long as class conflict exists a state arise whether we like it or not. Even major anarchist projects have had some aspect of a state because a state is a phenomena that arises from the material conditions of class conflict not something we invent. I would rather the working class control that state until it becomes unnecessary and whithers away than try to create a stateless, classless, moneyless society while surrounded by the forces of capital that would see me killed for this desire.
Yeah exactly. I am one of those kinds of communists. Not all communists truly understand this though. The issue is that not all anarchists are realistic about how to do it, timeframe, and the need to defend yourselves from capitalists while trying to achieve this. But that’s just my opinion, and where the real schism between communists and anarchists tends to come from. I personally have zero problem working together with anarchists. Same goal, and fuck capitalism.