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[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do you have so many guns, and yet no one is taking pot shots at these scumbags? Surely someone gutting the crown jewel of your nation should rile up the inevitable if small crossover in the Venn diagram of NASA-lovers, NRA members, and the clinically pissed-off

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is one of my unanswered questions of American culture: the low amount of political violence against elites of any political organization.

Political violence against the poor has always been a staple. But somehow it does not happen against the wealthy unless it’s their own doing it.

I’m ignoring the handful of high profile assassinations over the last 250 years done by poor people, often mentally ill.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Curious how you or the person you responded to would go about exacting some kind of meaningful change on your own. There's a lack of a rallying point for the sort of action you're talking about. Some lone gunman will only serve to play into the right's hands. I've said it here before, the US has been spying on its own citizens (legally, I might add) since 9/11. There is no opportunity to create an organization to fight back. We are stuck relying on people who already have political clout, to get behind them, or else we are just chickens with our heads cut off.

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

My comment here is only about the pattern of political violence in the USA since the 1700s.

Personally, I think a socialist revolution in the USA would save more lives than cost. I think this could be proved using logic and science.

But, for all its guns, and suffering, the USA is politically stagnant. It is strongly resistant to change. Scattered violence would remain just that, and in itself could not be productive. At this point violence would only be counter productive for improvement of the working classes.

So, that leaves zero options.

I think the only way forward is evolution of the social networks to allow a replacement for local politics. Sparking interest in local communities again. It is only through social connections not yet existing, online, can there be hope for most American citizens. Or a solar flair knocking out the internet for all in the USA. Either will help change the social order

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's quite easy, the poor don't own ~~news~~ propaganda outlets

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

That could explain some the last few decades, but not earlier

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, that's what the fascists need, martyrs

The reality is at this point the smart thing to do is be forming militias but the American left simply isn't going to do that.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, that’s what the fascists need, martyrs

That's the catch-22 of fascism isn't it... Someone needs to give them what they need in this respect

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I mean, they don't. They'll do what the want regardless, it's just a question of if they do it because they were attacked, they're defending against an "attack" they know is coming, or because the other people deserved it.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Like how rhe UHC CEO Became a martyr?