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The "social credit score" in China was blown out of proportion too. It probably changed since I last looked into it. But when that shit was all over American media it was literally the equivalent of a background check or credit score in the US. Work history, loan and credit history, etc.
Like, it's funny how we can have essentially the same exact thing but only critize China's version of it. Make it scary by adding "social" to the name. People ate that shit up.
Edit: to be clear I think both should be critized. Especially related to criminal history bias on race. But we spend more time talking about the Chinese version that doesn't actually effect anyone's lives in the US.
It was blown out of proportion by american media but its still used to levy economic punishment and blacklist people from using basic features of society like riding a train or catching a flight.
I'm not sure thats accurate, most descriptions I see from chinese people indicate it varies by province, but none of them mention being banned from catching trains or planes. Tons of clickbaity youtubers clai.ing they were, including a mma dude who went China to challenge wushu practitioners to actual fights, but its never someone who lives in China, and when I asked people they had no idea wtf I was talking about.
Also, its weird for any American to criticize a system that bans people from flying when we have the no-fly list.
And, you know, credit scores actually get people denied housing or jobs or loans
The difference is that China is using the government to put these restrictions across all its platforms for unrelated behavior. In America its private companies banning people from their own airlines and the government only gets involved when there is crime.
The no-fly list doesnt require you committed any crime. Literal children are on it.
Its worrying that you confidently repeat that without considering if its actually true. There are no kids on the no fly list, you've probably read the headline of people claiming there were kids on it. What happened was name overlaps both the kid and the terrorist had the same name and it drew some confusion when the kid went through airport security but he was passed through once they saw it was a 4 year old. There have been a few cases like that.
The city of Suining reportedly deducted points for government petitions and online comments, Suzhou planned penalties for reservation no-shows or cheating in online games, and Rongcheng for littering or jaywalking.
But in 2020 policy changed to a positive only points system, more like a loyalty scheme.
Next time I meet someone from Shanghai or Chongqing, I will ask them if they'd ever heard of someone from Suzhou or Suining being restricted from using public transit. But I'm incredibly skeptical that missing an appointment or cheating in online games results in someone being unable to scan a bus or book a train.
And the US border control can look through your social media accounts. People have reported being quizzed about their opinions on the president.