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Elon musk didn't found tesla. He's also an idiot nepo baby, not a visionary.
Elon to my knowledge hasn't been the founder of a single project he's been part of. He's bought everything.
Yep, he's your typical parasitic orbiting-usurper, buzzing around people of talent until the opportunity presents itself for him to steal all their work while they're busy making the future happen.
Steve Jobs was exactly the same. Wozniak made the Apple 1 a reality and before that, he used Wozniak's discarded Pong PCBs to get a job at Atari. At Atari he was just a talentless socially domineering psychopath doing shakedown on the company's nerd for his lunch money.
When assigned a task to create a cost-optimized version of the game Breakout, were he was offered 100$ for each TTL chip he could optimize out of the design. So he went to his "friend" Wozniak, who managed to remove 50 chips from the design. Steve Jobs made 5000$ (in 1976 money) and he "let" Wozniak have 375$ of this. All jobs did is the menial work of etching the PCBs sketched by Wozniak and solder some of them.
Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are truely despicable pieces of shit and I say as a society, and for the good of everyone, we should use the dystopian surveillance capitalism to find all people like them and box them right out so we don't have to suffer such parasitic psychopaths.
Unlike Elon, I feel like Steve Jobs legitimately had skills. Of course, it's completely despicable of him to scoop more than 10x the profit compared to Woz in that example. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Jobs was a talented asshole, but Elon is just a no-talent asshole.
I think it safe to assume Steve Jobs simply stole absolutely everything else he got credit for. As a powerful person in the organization, other people simply came up to him with their ideas hoping he would bestow on them rewards and he just stole their shit and then made them silent about it. This is how it works in nearly all corporation, whoever has power just legally steals everyone's work and crushes anyone that complains about it. I filed a patent where I work and I didn't even get a full week's pay for it. Not even a paid vacation either, just a simple bonus, my request for unpaid time off was also denied.
Work for yourself or people who respect you more. You filed a patent, you are able to understand how the system works.
It's completely despicable for any person in a company to be making 10x compared to the janitor.
I think if you watch this 2009 video, Elon has visionary plans, but fame and money made his ego push the ideals out of his head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkV0N0Oask
The thing is, literally anyone working in the industry had visionary ideas at that time. The best of which were completely destroyed by people like Musk, Gates, and others that forced a profit model on an internet with unlimited potential.
The most frustrating thing about the net is how much it has become owned by private companies. Our entire model of digital sales is built on a fake idea of scarcity on a technology that entirely removes the scarcity of resources that capitalism requires.
People like him succeeded not because they had visionary or ground breaking ideas. They succeeded because they offered monetization models that could capture digital infrastructure and restrict its potential in order for their investor's to profit.
Edit: if this rant interests you you'd enjoy this documentary.
https://youtu.be/oLLxpAZzy0s
His initial lottery ticket of a business Zip2 I think he was fairly a founder.
I know next to nothing about it because no one ever heard of it before Compaq had a huge case of dot-com FOMO and paid $300 million for it, where it promptly went nowhere like it already was.
Who founded SpaceX, then?
NASA obviously, all the technology, funding, lab structure, education pipeline and of course all the ideas are from NASA.
Spacex only exists so that NASA's activities can be extracted rent from by outsides.
Thomas John Mueller
Isn't he the founder of SpaceX?
I think you're right about everything else though.
Ohh, so like he's the Tommy Tallarico of tech
Did... did Joey Kuras found Tesla too?
everyone's a joey if you're tommy enough
Wait, didn't he contribute like 100 lines of code to PayPal?
Same with Jobs on the "visionary" part -- the only thing that guy ever visualized was bigger stacks of money.
In fairness to Jobs, he may have been an arsehole, but he was also an incredible salesman who knew what his customers wanted.
I'm old enough to remember how genuinely captivating his product presentations could be. The shit that Apple pre-records these days is worthless by comparison.
Sure, he was a good salesman, but any perception that he was the idea man was a deliberately cultivated lie. Woz had all the actually good ideas early on, then later it was other engineers.
I always thought the "ideas" he got credit for were in domains like design and customer experience, not necessarily technical engineering.
That's at least among people that know some minimal information about him. I imagine that the huge numbers of normie folks who don't pay attention to phones unless they're buying one either don't know who he is or would just fall back to assuming the superficial public visionary genius image is accurate.
But that's how our culture and media are designed to condition regular folks to accept our leaders as our betters. I mean who cares if some dark triad personality motherfucker is a monster to their own family just as much as their employees as long as the make money and create success*!
It isn't enough to have good ideas if you can't persuade someone to buy them.
A) I don't agree, and B) that's not really relevant or incompatible with what I said.
That only makes sense if you assume the only purpose of ideas is to turn them into profit.
Many of my great ideas COST me money, but I still end up better off afterwards.
I mean, if your aim as a business is to make money from your ideas, then yeah...
I think Jobs had his issues, but I do have to consider it fair for folks to claim him to be a visionary.
There was a presentation back in '97 where someone a bilt salty about Apple abandoning OpenDoc for Java and Jobs had a pretty solid response with insight.
Not so sure about post-iPod Jobs, but once upon a time he certainly seemed a respectable business leader with good product focus.
One out of three ain't bad.
More delusional than visionary.
Why is everyone so hung up on a side character