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Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They've been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren't Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it's bots or wumao. Human beings can't possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

With the alternative being, what, exactly? Flaccid, impotent doomerism?

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Their name is Catholic Socialist, so probably yes lmao

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well the world is almost all neoliberal hell so maybe that'd be better than supporting a fascistic hellscape because they have socialist aesthetics.

I support Cuba and various socialist movements... I don't pretend Xi is a well-meaning person.

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Xi isn't China lib, and quit using the word fascism until you learn what it actually means

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nothing about Xi indicates that he isn't well meaning, and much more importantly the lives of hundreds of millions of people have been vastly improved during his governance as head of a dedicated communist party.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you think the CCP is genuinely dedicated to communism I cannot take you seriously.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Few people here think that the CPC is "genuinely dedicated to communism". It is a party with millions of members, including communists, liberals, nationalists, and others (happy to chat about the specific major factions in the party if you're interested). Many in the party are not ardent communists, and have mediocre to poor historical and political literacy from the perspective of a lot of the Marxist nerds on here.

Some people look at the party and see "hey they're called communists, and many of them are communists, sure as hell better than whatever is going on in the US or wherever" and kinda hop on board with some enthusiasm that way.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Few people here think that the CPC is "genuinely dedicated to communism"

I-was-saying

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Few people here think that the CPC is "genuinely dedicated to communism".

I-was-saying

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's CPC and of course they are, there's no reason to believe otherwise apart from being a dumb little racist baby who thinks only white people can do socialism properly.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s CPC

What are you on about, it's both?

there’s no reason to believe otherwise apart from being a dumb little racist baby who thinks only white people can do socialism properly.

Maybe the fact it's a dictatorship with no power to the people? Tell me, what Chinese factory workers own their means of production?

Call me a racist? Cuba and Burkina Faso are true attempts at socialism, while the USSR under Stalin was not (Lenin was good though).

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CPSU, CPV, CPK, etc.. CCP is a weird, racist neologism coined by the west to emphasize the "Chinese" part of the moniker. CPC is the standard nomenclature.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

communism is an internationalist movement. why would we ever put nationality before the fact that we're communists?

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, you really thinking having "Chinese" before "Communist" is racist? If anything the west has fearmongered the word "communist" far more than the word "Chinese"

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

yes, older media reported the party as the CPC. restyling it as the CCP is relatively recent and coincides with the drumbeat of aggression between the west and China.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because they're not real communists.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

in what way is your judgment relevant in this context?

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Excuse me but as a westerner CatholicSocialist knows a thing or two more about building communism than a hundred million Chinese communists in power, it's due to his superior skull shape.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What makes you think I'm not Asian?

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's time to post hog.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More than enough of the world has seen my wenis. It's pretty clear that what the people really want, right now, is to see your dick.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't and I really, really want to. How many inches?

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Homosexuality and lust is haram in your "religion" so imma have to report you to Jesus for that, sorry.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh hey it's you again, I think you forgot to answer me in the other thread as well: what is your solution to the Ukranian puppet government's ongoing genoicide in the Donbas?

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Honestly if Russia ONLY invaded Donbas I think I would support that. But you guys are clearly warmongerers that want as many dead Ukrainians as possible.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How could Russia 'invade' Donbas if they were invited? You've been asked this several times and avoided answering every one.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll rephrase it, Russia should've defended Donbas and nothing else. Going further than Donbas is an unequivocal invasion.

I've answered all your "questions" hexshit.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

the only way one could believe this is a viable military strategy is if you have gamerbrain. if Ukraine knew that Russia was not going to go beyond the Donbass then when not just set up a shitload of defense and artillery positions along the border? it would be a massive military advantage to Ukraine and it's not as if the Western response would have been tempered because of it, they were sanctioning Russia even before the war began

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You realise that would mean war with Ukraine, and that it's universally accepted that you can attack an enemy country you're already at war with.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. Crimea stayed within Crimea. This is simply Russia having bloodlust.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I can tell you're a Catholic by the way you think that you just declaring something makes it true.

[–] Starlet@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you guys are clearly warmongerers that want as many dead Ukrainians as possible

This doesn't even make any sense. People normally criticize us for wanting Ukraine to surrender to end the war -- are you just making this up, or??

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Literally people endorsing Russia bombing major cities in Ukraine two seconds ago.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

bombing major cities in Ukraine

You mean what's been getting done by the Ukrainian army and defended by liberals like you for the last 8+ years?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Not true, liberals weren't even aware of the civil war for the most part

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

people endorsing Russian bombings

Again, please don't compare us to Zelensky, that's really fucked up.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keep blowing Putin, tankie. I've made it clear I don't like Zelensky either, but there's NO justification for waging war anywhere outside of Donbas.

[–] Starlet@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you really think Russia could've just invaded the Donbass? Obviously Ukraine would call it an invasion and try to retake it, at which point Russia would advance into Ukrainian territory to repel them. We'd be in the exact same situation, except Russia & the Donbass would be in a worse situation.

Why the hell would Russia bother with any of that?

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or maybe, get this, they could defend the border of Donbas and keep the war within there?

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Real warfare isn't a bloody strategy game where you can park your units on some line somewhere as a phalanx to protect 'your land'. You do whatever you can to remove the enemy's ability to attack you and if they're not interested in negotiation, you try to take land / diminish their forces in order to force them to the table.

Your suggestion isn't remotely based in reality.