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[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

somehow the opening sentence glazing is what annoys me the most here

[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I also tried Claude 4.1. It still complimented me for my big brain but its response seemed more like thinking. It asked me some follow-up questions to better give a response and, surprisingly, it asked about history. So at least Claude's training has that kind of association of history with political economy and materialism. GPT 5 didn't seem to get that part.

The "Productive Network" Synthesis

Instead of firms with employees, imagine autonomous productive nodes connected through dynamic contribution networks. Here's how it might work:

Core mechanism: Replace employment with temporary productive associations. Individuals or small groups maintain ownership of their tools/skills/knowledge and form task-specific collaborations. Think of it like open-source software development, but for all production.
No permanent "firms" - just fluid networks of producers
No wages - direct claims on collective output based on contribution metrics
No employers - coordination through algorithmic matching and democratic protocols
Surplus doesn't get "extracted" because there's no separate owner class to extract it

Historical lesson: The Paris Commune's workshop federations and Yugoslav self-management showed coordination without traditional hierarchy is possible, but lacked the technology for dynamic, real-time coordination we now have.

The "Social Inheritance" Model

This one's more radical: What if productive capacity became a birthright commons?

Core mechanism: All major productive assets are held in regional/municipal trusts. Individuals receive periodic allotments of productive capacity (like universal basic assets, not just income).
People combine their allotments to undertake projects
No employment needed - you directly command a share of society's productive power
Coordination happens through proposal systems and resource voting
"Work" becomes voluntary contribution to expand the common pool

Historical lesson: The kibbutzim and Mondragon show collective ownership can work, but they remained islands. This would need to be systemic from the start.

The "Contribution Economy"

Core mechanism: Replace employment with a contribution-tracking system where people directly register their productive activities and automatically receive proportional claims on social output.
Blockchain or similar tech tracks contributions across society
No firms needed - just projects that people join/leave freely
Algorithms (democratically governed) determine relative contribution values
Resources flow directly to contributors without passing through "employers"
This isn't just "gig economy" - there's no platform owner extracting value. It's peer-to-peer production with social coordination.

Historical lesson: Soviet planning failed partly due to information problems. Modern computation and networking could enable decentralized planning that the USSR couldn't achieve. \

The "Hybrid Transition" Model (if complete transformation proves impossible)

If we can't fully eliminate surplus extraction immediately:
Mandatory worker sovereignty: All firms above a certain size automatically convert to worker-controlled entities, but with a twist:
Capital investment is allowed but capped at fixed returns (like Islamic banking)
Workers control all decisions about surplus distribution
"Employment" transforms into automatic stakeholdership
Capital becomes a utility input, not a controlling force

This differs from co-ops because it's not voluntary - it's the only legal form for scaled production.

Critical Challenges for Any Synthesis

Coordination at scale: How do complex supply chains work without firms?
Innovation incentives: What drives technical progress without profit?
Transition mechanics: How do we get there without catastrophic disruption?
Global compatibility: How does this interface with different economic systems?

Which of these directions resonates most with your thinking? Or do you see elements that could be combined differently?

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