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[โ€“] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

no. you cannot tolerate the intolerant.

[โ€“] Flumsy@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Everyone's OPINION has to be tolerated. If you dont tolerate the people you deem "the intolerant" then those people will see you as intolerant (against them) aswell. According to you, they would then be right not not tolerate you (as "the intolerant" that doesnt tolerate them).

As long as they dont take away from anybody else's freedom (and by just stating one's opinion one doesnt do that) it has to be tolerated, otherwise it is censorship.

[โ€“] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So if you don't tolerate the intolerant, then they will be intolerant? I don't follow this logic.

[โ€“] Flumsy@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not tolerating someone ("the intolerant") makes you, to a certain extent, intolerant yourself. According to your own logic, they then should not tolerate you (the shouldn't "tolerate the intolerant").

Essentially, who is "intolerant" depends on your subjective opinion and cannot be objectively determimed, except if that person accepts all voices to be heard, in that case we could say they are very much tolerant. In any other case, it depends on your opinion.

[โ€“] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

It's similar to the concept of being an outlaw. If you decide to break the laws, then laws no longer apply to you, including those that serve to protect you. If you do not tolerate, then you do not get the protections of tolerance.

[โ€“] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what's the value of me tolerating someone who's stated aims are to do me, my family and friends harm?

[โ€“] Flumsy@feddit.de -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's the value of tolerating any other opinion than yours?

[โ€“] 520@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Why must person A tolerate person B's belief that person A should not have the right to life and liberty?

You can call it an opinion all you like, but the truth is that opinions inevitably become actions.