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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/50693956

TranscriptA post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying: courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps: In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure! I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114961415946154957

It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding: https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/tree/2a5e2ad4db0c84f39050bf2353c944a96d38e07f

given the utter lack of communication from Proton on this, I can only guess they’ve extracted .cursor into an external repository and continue to use it out of sight of the public

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[–] plm00@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Plug for Tuta. 🤷‍♂️ The user experience isn't the best, but it's as secure as it gets. Small team, no vibe coding.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hmm.. Been looking into it myself recently. What's your issue with the user experience?

Seemed like a better email/call product all around plus extra 5gb for email storage

[–] plm00@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not an issue, per se. In order to keep the team small they built most the app in a single codebase. It's mostly web code, and the apps are wrappers for it. So it keeps it unified between all clients but it definitely feels like a web wrapper, so it can feel a bit slow or clunky.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 day ago

Ok this landed...

Yeah coming from proton wrapper slopz it actually felt better but yeah it is still wrapper slop.

Us Linux girls, take what we can get. I ain't picky

[–] zzt@mas.to 7 points 1 day ago

@sunzu2 it feels janky as hell, it’s missing advanced features (someone in the other thread asked about Sieve filters), and it doesn’t support non-Tuta clients. their development cycle is so slow I can’t count on any of these features cropping up anytime soon.

with those criticisms in mind, Tuta’s still approximately the only credible choice remaining for threat models where end-to-end encryption is important. we desperately need better fully open source options for this.

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have tried Tuta out, it's fine from my very limited use, but kinda locked in in ways I don't really care to pay for. Last time I saw it brought up some other folks were recommending mailbox.org. I don't know about it too much, but might be worth looking into as well.