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[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Tolerance is not a moral requirement but a social contract.

By social contract I mean it's an agreement that I will tolerate you as long as you tolerate me.

Islamic groups literally want some sections of western society dead (queer community etc) and other sections subjugated (women). They violate the contract and we shouldn't be accepting of that.

tldr: We shouldn't pander to people who think a book burning means someone should die.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Not all Muslims are like that though. Most are very level headed and tolerant of others and their religions too. If all Muslims were how you described, with how many there are in the world there would be literal chaos every day.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Level headed people shouldn't be out of their mind because some nutjob burns a book. Pretty sure people who are like you write aren't keen on getting blasphemy laws back.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You described the fanatical extremists that are not the majority of that religion. I also don't know what you're trying to get at with that last part. I just think people are too quick to lump everyone in one bag that doesn't fully represent them just because it does for a few of them.

There are absolute heinous people who could be demographically similar to me as well I imagine, I don't want to be lumped in with them. Just like how a lot of Muslims around the world will think that too.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Banning the burning or "desecration" of a specific genre of books because it rallies the feelings of highly religious people is pandering to the views of the religious extremists. That is my point.

People who are level headed about their religion won't demand that a state forbids to burn a book. And they won't get worked up by it to the point they think this is something that should be handled on a state level.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have more of an issue that the people burning are doing it themselves to try and incite something. I couldn't care less to be honest that it's about religious stuff or of a specific religion. It goes both ways, just don't be pricks towards other people and none of that eye for an eye shit either.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't really matter what the motivation is. Burning a book does not justify violence in response. You can have pure wonderful motivations or fuck awful ones neither would change what was done.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but I have received a few messages from Muslims--and only Muslims--threatening to overtake Western civilization so that I'll be put in my place. I don't know of any other group that does that.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, but you didn't receive an email from every Muslim in the entire world. And I could think of a few Christian nutjobs that go crazy, like how a lot are against gay people and send them to camps to stop them from being gay.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

My overall point doesn't require that every single Muslim do that. If a small fraction of them are making these threats, it hints at an underlying belief system and related attitudes of an agenda against the West.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

What does the Quran say they are supposed to do to apostates?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

There is literal chaos every day.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Completely agree. I've lived in Malaysia and they're pretty chilled there. Some places though Islam gets pretty full on. Check out Islamabad or Tehran sometime - yikes. Nothing like seeing a march of people chanting, 'Death to the west!' and flaying themselves bloody while doing it to realise Islam ramps up.

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