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the developer is obviously a bad person but Dessalines simply carried out something resembling a Nuremberg trial rather than a "genocide".
there is no historical evidence of a genocide happening in 1804. the people claiming a "white genocide" happened are white French who would obviously be biased and would want to defend their "human rights" image on the global stage.
this is akin to the binary propaganda that paints October 7 as a "genocide" and Israel's actual genocide of Palestinians as a humanitarian mission to eradicate terrorism.
No he didn't. They killed the guilty and the innocent making no effort to distinguish between them. The soldiers mostly escaped whereas civilians were murdered. In fact most people in Haiti had little stomach for the sort of purge of French women and children he desired to the point where it doesn't happen until he tours a particular settlement.
One can argue all day long he was revenging very legit harms but it doesn't make him less of a monster and his people ultimately agreed and murdered him.
there was no distinction between "civilians" and soldiers because the people he targeted fought in the colonial National Guard. you would've known this if you had read the sources I linked though. from WP:
this rhetoric sounds like the Israeli hasbara painting settlers as innocent civilians when most of them either served in the IDF or are currently reservists.
When you massacre non-combatants, women, and children as factually did happen its genocide. The fact that not all jews were killed doesn't negate for instance that the holocaust happened. For every genocide there are apologists. The fact that the french as a people may logically be deemed to be more deserving of reciprocal violence doesn't justify it because violence is done to individuals by individuals. They could have forcibly relocated the people or allowed them to be re-located especially the old, women, and children. They broadly committed mass murder. The fact that the french did much worse doesn't make those immoral acts moral.
Genocide is genocide.
this is word for word what the French did to Haitians. that was the only genocide that ever happened during the Haitian Revolution. implying that racism against white colonizers is possible or if you're a white supremacist claiming that resisting a Holocaust is akin to committing genocide is a genocide denier's talking point.
Of course racism is possible vs anyone it's simply a word for pre judgement based on race. If Animus is based on what is actually happening right now it's arguably not racism it's simply a correct judgment call. The French as a group were at war with the Haitians but you still can't morally slaughter non combatants.
I hate the attempt to remove a definition of the word racism from the dictionary and replace its definition with something closer to systemic racism or oppression.
What word then means prejudgements based on race?
Of course the oppressed can't oppress the oppressor but anyone can prejudge based on race which has been a valid definition of racism for a very long time.
The Frenchs behavior was abhorrent but this doesn't absolve anyone from the requirement to be moral themselves.
Murdering women and children isn't resisting genocide it's just plain old genocide same as if we had put German civilians into their own ovens after ww2.
Were those civilians complicit. Largely I feel that the answer is yes. But we are required to be moral ourselves even when faced with immorality.
show us the sources where he ordered French women and children purged
Show me the sources for where Hitler ordered the holocaust. You can. I can. But I think if you need them it might not be worth my time to bother. This genocide happened.
so you have jack-shit to show for it, got it. really makes your position extremely credible lmao
You could literally read the Wikipedia entry
What kind of sources do you expect from 200 years ago?