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Bulletins and News Discussion from July 14th to July 20th, 2025 - A Golden Age Of Copper
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Image is from this article, of a Chilean copper quarry.
Title is a reference to Trump's social media post about copper, which was, as usual, mostly deranged.
Trying to follow Trump's administration is pretty difficult, but as of right now, he is threatening 30% tariffs on Mexico and the EU starting on August 1st, as well as new tariff announcements on a bunch of other countries (including, bizarrely, a 50% tariff on Brazil), and also apparently a 50% tariff on copper, which the US imports half its supply of and is, of course, a very important metal in many applications.
I'm not sure what the plan is to bring back domestic copper production beyond hoping that it just sorta works out, but prominent copper producers, such as Chile and Canada, seem both concerned and confused. Reuters had a line that made me chuckle:
Boric said he was awaiting official communication from the U.S. government, including whether the tariffs would include copper cathodes, and questioned "whether this will actually be implemented or not."
Big mood, Boric.
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Listen if you can't see why you saying 'Well I haven't read it but xyz' and then the rest going 'Well I haven't read it but xyz' is not indicative of the quality going down then I don't know what to tell you. Like all you did was navel gaze and throw some words around like they mean anything when really nothing of value was gained.
Here's what the report says in the very first pages 'France and Europe needs to break with 'Westernism' and 'Block-logic' promoted by the American hawks to prevent being a vassal of the United States' and says that the 'Resolute atlanticism adopted by europe has drawn them into a trade war against China which is to the negative of European-Chinese relations and our economy and is doomed to fail and hurts us and our credibility.'
'We can see how the dogma of free and non -distorted competition opposes it. The axis of this report is the search for found sovereignty. It is no longer a question of passively depending on the supply chains piloted by other powers, but of finding democratic control over what we produce,'
This is all stuff that one could've gotten with a glance and there's much more in this 134 page document but just at a quick glance at the 3 pages which are the synthesis of the rapport would tell you that actually this is somewhat substantive and does call out the vassalization attempts from the US, that trade with China is desirable and that there have to be adjustments to the economic system to regain sovereignty.
Again this is the kind of quality that we should expect not saying 'well I haven't read it but the contradictions and the material reality and marxism' is 'good enough'.
As for you disagreeing that you aren't a doomer like why did you give a take that was 'Well I haven't read it but I don't think it matters' if your outlook is not pessimistic and you aren't spreading doomer shit.
My friend, I literally said that the article was hidden behind Substack paywall and asked clarification from others who speak French to see if there are any of these info contained the original French document. Is that too much to ask?
I’m not paying for that Substack subscription and it’s fair to ask for details when someone makes a claim. Notice that all of my arguments are backed by my own explanations, even though people may not agree with them, at least I provide a framework for the analysis.
You can literally find the original rapport like again if you don't bother to look that one up why bother to respond. I didn't pay for the substack subscription I just pulled up the rapport and read it.
My friend, I cannot read French. What’s so hard to understand? That’s why I asked others to look for the specific information I made in my arguments. Is this too difficult to understand?
I never blamed anyone for not being able to read Chinese articles. If anything, I have spent countless hours painstakingly translating Chinese articles and posted them here (not using machine translation because it isn’t always accurate in many cases).
My friend you can copy the text and let a machine translate it. While it will mess up parts it might be able to give you a slightly better understanding than not having read it at all. What difference is between you, a person that uses marxist words to describe their vibes about a country (France) that you probably don't know anything about, not that you need to of course. And a lib on reddit that uses yank words to describe their vibes about a country (China) that they don't know anything about?
That is my point, it is not that I have a problem with the take, it is a problem I have with the quality. This isn't difficult shit I mean I guess for you it is difficult to admit that you were lazy. That people in the news mega got lazy and as a result the quality dropped. Not a single person, I'm talking not just you but all the others, didn't bother to read the 3 pages in the rapport, but everyone felt the need to give their take. Why is that so hard to admit?
The French document was 153 pages lol! Are you being serious?
If you disagree with my arguments, feel free to retort. This is a place for discussion after all.
Ima be real you are embarrassing yourself there is literally a 3 page summary at the start of the rapport which is clearly what I was referencing if you actually bothered to look at the document at all which you still didn't so what evidence you are just saying nonsense we cannot argue because you didn't bother to do the minimal amount of looking. Like I'm sorry but you are being a complete ass here. You don't have an argument all you have is doomer vibes.
The exact opposite is happening. You started this thread by saying you touched grass and how you can now see how out of touch people in this thread are, but have been launching unreasonable personal invectives over several comments and have been escalating yourself. That doesn't work irl for any kind of organizing. It is, instead, a habit that is destructive to an organizing space.
I recommend that you take a short break before continuing responses.
It is crazy that they didn't even respond to people they have problems with. They vague posted and then admitted who they actually dislike. As well as bringing up old beef with them. Came in, complained about people being too debate focused, proceeded to instantly debate people. This shit is so immature
It was pretty silly
They specifically asked a comrade who read the whole thing to summarize it, a 3 page summary written by neoliberals is not going to be a historical materialist summary of the 150 pages
Do some self crit
So they're 'a complete ass' but you saying "all you have is doomer vibes" and "
" are mature non-ass arguments?
I did what you asked by stopped being lazy and translated the first 3-page summary, and it still doesn’t address any of the questions I asked?
Specifically, how does the report address this problem (i.e. China dumped their exports into the EU while substantially reduced their imports from the EU, as American tariffs threatened to reduce its consumption demand for global exporters goods):
This is a very valid question with data to support.
It’s not some fantasy scenario or a “maybe” scenario, it’s ALREADY happening and China is already doing that to the EU. I don’t see why it’s invalid to ask the pertinent questions when it is already a reality that the EU has to face.
But more importantly, why is it that my inability to read a language is being used to label my character as “lazy”?
The Twitterer made a claim, I asked for clarification and posed the questions so anyone who can read French can look for those information. Is this not allowed?
If you have actual arguments, then I’d love to hear it. No need to be hostile.
I'm not sure I understand why the Chinese export policy is an insurmountable contradiction. Isn't it possible that the motivation here is a recognition by the French ruling class that they are in an untenable position to be hostile to China while depending on an also hostile USA? And that by pursuing better diplomatic relations with China, they might be able to negotiate better terms for trade since they clearly can't achieve those terms with their current diplomatic stance.
Now, that could be an idealistic strategy for a few reasons. Maybe China isn't actually interested in multilateral dialogue and mutual cooperation like their foreign ministry always claims, and in fact they are seeking to deliberately cripple Europe's economies no matter what they do. Or maybe there isn't the political will in France or the EU for the neo liberals and the capitalist class to make that kind of pivot because it's against their perceived short term material interests. But I'd love to hear what your thoughts on that are.