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IIRC, The chinese government say 200 something died, and presumably they have more information than a wapo reporter, since they can ask the hospitals and witnesses to verify the police and military reports.
I believe those were from the fighting happening elsewhere since there was an active rebellion going on with soldiers being lynched etc. What the wapo reporter is speaking against is this idea in the western mind of peaceful protesters on tiananmen square being mowed down by gunfire.
Ok yeah no nobody who has done as minimal investigation as "looking at the square in the background of the tankman video" and cares about the incident beyond its utility as hostile evidence believes that, I assumed we were talking about the entire incident.
Thats precisely the distinction the wapo reporter makes
Source?
Some minister, 15 days after the events, according to a paywalled book in 1998, according to wikipedia.
The death toll was certainly greater than zero, theres pictures of dead soldiers and like 2 dozen protestors in the streets surrounding the square.
Ive read parts of the wikipedia page on it and it says the chinese gov states there were around 20 soldiers killed, but it doesnt mention civilians killed, plus a bunch of injured people. That minister really says something about 200 dead?
300 is the bare minimum students killed and thats the chinese gov number. Its likely 1200 (most supported number) or 10,000 (my schizo number that I choose to believe based off a single unsubstantiated source). There were at least 10k injured since army was firing live rounds into the crowd.
Do you have a source for that 300 students gov number?