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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not really, check out their claim on google. Ships are polluting a shitton. They have huge engines that run on the crappiest fuel known to man. It's so bad, that they have to switch to diesel by law when comming close to the shore / port so as to meet any semblence of environmental law. Something like the top 10 ships pollute more than all cars on Earth combined (exhaust gasses, not tire wear / brake dust).

[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I did check it ... doesn't seem to check out, not even close.

Here is a pretty neat interactive graphic: https://www.wri.org/insights/4-charts-explain-greenhouse-gas-emissions-countries-and-sectors

If you click on the energy -> transportation sector, you'll see it's about 80% from road traffic.

Over all ships only make up a tiny amount (0.3% of global emissions).

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is burning bunker fuel in international waters very polluting and should someone try to do something about it? Yes it is and yes they should. And the good news is that they have been working at it: https://www.imo.org/en/mediacentre/hottopics/pages/sulphur-2020.aspx

But were the more polluting cargo ships from the past more polluting than "a continent"? Probably only if that continent was not Asia, Europe, America or Africa. If they were and I'm wrong, then I would love to see a source. Telling me to "google it" is not a source, I already tried looking for it when I first asked the question and I could find no info about this claim. It seemed like a hyperbole comparison that they made up.

I also tried looking up your claim that 10 ships pollute more than all cars combined, and the first result was an article debunking a similar myth (about 15 ships): https://www.oldsaltblog.com/2021/04/no-sixteen-large-ships-do-no-pollute-more-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't find it because you don't want to find it, you think it's some right wing talking point when it's not.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I post literal proof that the shit that you made up, is made up. And your answer is to double down and throw insults around, and even now 2 weeks later you're still at it. Somehow you're not very convincing.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to convince you, you're not here to learn, you're here to be a lying cocksucker, I'm just here to point that out.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Your willingness to make things up, your doubling down when it becomes obvious to others that you made stuff up and then finally your reaction to jump to hatred of those that demonstrated that you make stuff up ... It all makes you come across as unhinged.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lol, look in a mirror. Making yourself look pretty fucking stupid here. This isn't even an arguable point, what I said has been common knowledge and proven for decades now.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Show the proof then. insulting others and making a fool out of yourself doesn't count as proof, so do try to come up with a proper science based source.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I already told you, I am here to insult you, not to take orders from you, the information is commonly and easily available. You listen about as well as you think.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Blabla, google it, yet you ignore all evidence that was posted to the contrary of your beliefs. As expected you come up empty handed because you have nothing except your own vitriol.

I get that you are a bitter and resentful person, but that is a choice that you are making. I'll try to explain below and I get that the text will be longer than you are used to, but I do implore you to read it. I'd like to try and help you get some perspective.

You don't have to make up things and present them as facts. You don't have to resent other people who try to show you that some beliefs that you hold, have no factual basis. We don't try to inform people like you out of malice, but it's to help others to be more informed and to help people in general make more informed decisions.

I suspect that your wilful ignorance has often brought you into useless conflicts where you ended up resenting the other participants because they were dismissive of you and your opinions. But that's not their fault. You are the one chosing to reject facts and resenting those that do not accept your beliefs over factual evidence. Your resentment and frustration has it's origin within your own choices, which has one major potential upside for you: you can chose to stop being that bitter resentful person.

Don't make things up, respect other people's opinions, be open to the possibility that some of your beliefs might not be true. Do those 3 simple things and you will find that interactions in your life will on average be much more agreeable and positive for you.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

lol I ain't reading that bud.