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Zarah Sultana quits Labour to start new party with Jeremy Corbyn (www.middleeasteye.net)

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Zarah Sultana has resigned from the UK's Labour Party after 14 years to lead a new party with former Labour leader and independent MP Jeremy Corbyn.

"Today, after 14 years, I'm resigning from the Labour Party," she said in a statement on Thursday evening local time.

"Jeremy Corbyn and I will co-lead the founding of a new party, with other Independent MPs, campaigners and activists across the country."

Sultana cited the Starmer government's support for Israel's war on Gaza as a reason for leaving, saying that "this government is an active participant in genocide. And the British people oppose it."

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[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is not inconsistent with anything I said yesterday or, indeed, this morning.

There was not an organised media smear campaign against Corbyn. 'The media' is not in any sense a group of people who said 'Let's all agree to tell lies about Corbyn', which is what an organised smear campaign would have to look like. The media has always been persistently unfair, to the level of insanity, about everyone to the left of the Conservatives, but there's nothing organised about it, it's just powerful people representing their own interests.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There was not an organised media smear campaign against Corbyn. ‘The media’ is not in any sense a group of people who said ‘Let’s all agree to tell lies about Corbyn’,

So is this a lie?

BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net -2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Not about Corbyn!

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Corbyn opposed Israel

Corbyn got smeared as an antisemite for opposing Israel

BBC staff now literally says they're forced to do pro-Israel PR

Is there a common theme here?

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net -2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No. You've taken one thing - the BBC pressurises their journalists to cover Israel positively, which I agree is true - and assumed it means a second thing - that (1) the BBC (2) smeared Corbyn (3) as an antisemite (numbers here because these are three separate claims that you haven't justified, within the broader claim you also haven't justified). You've then additionally taken that bundle of unproven claims as evidence of another different claim: that 'the media' as a whole, i.e., not just the BBC, 'smeared Corbyn' because he 'opposed Israel'.

With respect, this is exactly what I meant about conspiracist thinking: you're taking loosely related ideas (some of them true, some of them not) and bundled them together to claim a vaguely defined malevolent entity ('the media') is out to get someone. This is conspiracist thinking! That's what that is!

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

So you do not believe the claim that the BBC is spreading pro Israel propaganda? I'm saying the media has always been doing this. They're simply going full mask off these days. And it's proving their political motivation on smearing Corbyn in the past.

Not every conspiracy is false. And this one is fully undeniable. It's like you're so convinced that it can't be true that you won't believe it no matter how much evidence is presented. BBC is doing literal Goebbels tier propaganda for a literal genocide for Israel and I'm somehow supposed to believe that this is all a conspiracy

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago

I don't think you read or understood my comment if this is your response.