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Excess oxygen is actually harmful to humans, ~~but all the climate warnings are about losing oxygen, not nitrogen~~ edit: but when we look for habitable planets, our focus is ‘oxygen rich atmosphere’, not ‘nitrogen rich’, and in medical settings, we’re always concerned about low oxygen, not nitrogen.

Deep sea divers also use a nitrogen mix (nitrox) to stay alive and help prevent the bends, so nitrogen seems pretty important.

It seems weird that our main focus is oxygen when our main air intake is nitrogen. What am I missing?

edit: my climate example was poor and I think misleading. Added a better example instead.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here's an interesting post about the different formulations and pressures required to have breathable oxygen mixtures.

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/28280/could-we-breathe-an-atmosphere-that-is-not-nitrogen-based#28283

Based on OP's question, we don't care about nitrogen, because it's not strictly necessary for our survival.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That explains it very well, thank you!

So from what I understand, we need a rather precise amount of oxygen plus a large amount of an inert gas – pretty much any inert gas, barring a few that have narcotic effects. So nitrogen isn’t special, except that it’s inert and doesn’t get us high.

But I’m also curious whether the reactive gas in low quantities (oxygen) can also be replaced. I’m not a chemist, and this is fascinating. I’ll keep reading.

Thanks again!

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We don't need a precise amount of oxygen - we can survive in a fairly wide range. Think about living in the mountains vs by the ocean.

Nitrogen gets us absolutely high. Balls to the wall high. It's why gas narcosis used to be called nitrogen narcosis. Also known as the "rapture of the deep".

Also, oxygen gets you high. Also, oxygen kills you, but that's another matter.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

It’s pretty amazing we’re alive at all, when you put it that way.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

I'm not a biologist, doctor, or chemist, but my guess is "no." We have evolved to use oxygen to create energy within our cells, not some other gas.

I would hazard an additional guess that it's not a simple matter to just swap out the oxygen molecules for something else. Carbon monoxide binds better and more readily to our cells, yet that mixture would asphyxiate you.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/lungs/breathing-benefits

The cells need this oxygen to make the energy your body needs to work. When cells make that energy, they create the waste product carbon dioxide.