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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Correct! If you're not going to support artists and writers, the least you can do is not support the industry that's actively destroying the fields of art and writing (on top of the myraid other problems with generative AI)

[–] pory@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

The guy who used ai to make some technobabble lipsum for an asset was an artist hired by the company. You can see a huge list of the artists that worked on The Alters in the credits. They all got paid. This artist would take home the same wage for typing "gshsjajfkfksiwn" in that asset, or copy and pasting some numbers that were in a readout from a space telescope, or literally using lorem ipsum. If we're really micromanaging every art shortcut as "potential pay to hire more artists" now, why not start counting how many rock/plant/sky/water textures and models in The Alters (or FF7 Rebirth, or literally any UE5 game) are pre-baked assets included with the UE5 license? Game devs actually use those instead of billable hours / salaried hires.

[–] duchess@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

No artist or writer would have been hired for producing placeholder assets.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So do you just not play video games at all? Because the way you've just presented yourself you're not against using AI in games, you're against any use of AI.

How can you be sure that in any game AI wasn't used to generate some sort of an internal document or asset that would never be in the final product but was integral to the creation of the final product? Clearly you don't write every dev and ask if they use AI in any capacity, so what do you do?

My point is that I think you're taking a stance where you're unwilling to compromise on the use of AI, but only if you're aware that AI was used.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How can you be sure that in any game AI wasn't used to generate some sort of an internal document or asset that would never be in the final product but was integral to the creation of the final product?

I never claimed to be omniscient. I simply don't support a company after I find out that they have unethical business practices. What are you not understanding about this?

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got it, you're fine with AI usage as long as you don't know about it.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No? I just don't know that I should avoid a product if I don't know about the ethical problems with it. That's how boycotts work...

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's like saying you boycot Nestle but won't stop using any of their subsidiary products unless you accidentally find out that a brand not named Nestle is actually owned by Nestle.

You had a bridge to sell to anyone with the naivete to believe it's the only place AI was used. What about your naivity of believing that other games are not using AI, unless of course you stumble on the information about AI usage? Seems hypocritical to criticize others for giving the benefit of doubt while giving the benefit of doubt to all other developers simply because you don't know any better?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How the fuck would I boycott a brand for being owned by Nestle before I find out that it's owned by Nestle?

I don't know if other games are using generative AI. Maybe they are. If I find out they are, I will not buy them. If I don't find out that they are, how would I know that they're using it? The fact that I'm not able to detect it 100% of the time doesn't make me okay with it when I don't know it's there. What in any of my comments has made you think I have an "I don't care as long as I don't notice it" attitude???

[–] Senal@programming.dev 1 points 20 hours ago

How the fuck would I boycott a brand for being owned by Nestle before I find out that it's owned by Nestle?

Consumer research, look up the brands you don't know before you buy them, the corps aren't generally out here running shell companies to hide relationships.

Im not being snide and I don't care about the rest of the argument with OP, this is the literal answer to that one question, that's all.