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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That is amazing news, especially since the stats come from UNICEF. I am not a Milei admirer, but i gotta respect his results so far. If he manages to turn the country around without hurting the vulnerable (and that seems to be the case according to the article), i will have to rethink my opinion.

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I can't argue with numbers - although when I searched for more of those numbers (because there was no report linked in the article), I am at least somewhat sceptical as of now. Mostly because all the outlets I have seen report on it are... well, not really neutral. This site, too, has a weird amount of AI images and praise of Trump (e.g. like in this article).

So, I had a bit of a look around, and as expected - if only one side reports something, there is usually at least something missing:

For example:
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/expert-reports-say-argentinas-poverty-rate-has-fallen-to-368.phtml

Meanwhile the ODSA (Observatorio de la Deuda Social Argentina) poverty watchdog of the UCA Catholic University voiced that although the projected indices had reached similar levels to the previous year for the third quarter of 2024, the consumer capacity of households was reduced by the higher costs of basic services such as electricity, water, gas and transport, among others.

Unlike the line traced by the total shopping-basket, the measurement of multidimensional poverty does not only focus on family earnings but also the lack of access to basic sources of welfare in from one to six dimensions.

"The current panorama shows an aggravation of the situation in this sense - multidimensional poverty (measured as income plus one lack) increased inter-annually from 39.8 to 41.6 percent and within that figure structural poverty (three wants or more) also rose from 22.4 to 23.9 percent," they alerted.

This is a massive reduction, but it is a reduction from a massive surge:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentinas-poverty-hit-barrios-food-emergency-takes-hold-2024-10-01/

So - seems like there is at least some cherry-picking and reporting early projections as fully manifested facts going on here, but the recovery itself is still good news for the people actually living there, of course. I'd like to wait for more fully-fledged analysis reported by different outlets than this. How likely is this to be sustainable? How many additional factors will be at play? Even if Milei's reforms turn out to be a miracle of a new way to "do austerity right" - I will only believe that if there is better analysis than this, because Libertarian-adjacent outlets praising this, sometimes with misrepresenting data, like, e.g. this graph I came across:

(Milei came to power at the end of 2023, as a reminder, so the graph is coloured in a deliberately misleading way)

Those kind of reporting sadly does not spark confidence for me.

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Good analysis, and good on ya for looking into the data! Thanks.

[–] doylio@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Milei gets compared to the populist right in other countries a lot (Trump, Orban, etc) but he's really a more old school libertarian. In a country as rife with corruption and financial mismanagement as Argentina, it seems like a bit of libertarianism was what they needed