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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 41 points 3 months ago (7 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

[–] SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 100 points 3 months ago (24 children)

I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

GASP!

You mean... Proper capitalism!?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Okay there's a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don't . . . connect it. Or whatever.

[–] oakward@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which of them are you talking about?

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[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't know that they're out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of it is also growing their market share and establishing their brand.

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It's a Yutong E15.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

I remember that one getting tested in my hometown.

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How common are these in Denmark? 😮 don't feel like I've seen one, but then again it's not like I study the make before I get in the bus

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 2 points 3 months ago

This specific model I don't know, but in Copenhagen all public transport buses will be electric by the end of 2026.

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Living in the boonies, I'm never going to get a bus going by every ten minutes so a solid market for good EVs is still what I root for.

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Of course, public transport has a limit and we can root for both as well, including protected bike lanes even in the boonies like we successfully see in the Netherlands

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

I'm somewhat hopeful, in the last ten years, new and renovated country roads have been getting dedicated bike lanes behind the guardrails. Miles away from the excellent, completely separate infrastructure the dutch have, but its a start.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

i am lucky, my city has excellent public transport, that doesn't stop people from using cars though. be it because of pure habit, or because public transport is not solution for everything.

so i'd rather if our european car industry wasn't decimated by the chinese one.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Competition is good for the consumer.

except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.

they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china

unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

It would be nice if there was a way to rip out any questionable software/electric components from modern cars and replace it with something open source.

[–] claimsou@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The article title is a bit sensational. The share of the market for all Chinese EV is 5,6%. It’s not ( yet ? ) a tsunami.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Telsas total european market share this month is 1.2%, down from 1.8% last may. The chinese market share is 5.9%, not 5.6%.

5.9% vs 1.2% is a 5x sales rate for chinese cars versus Teslas. According to the article, china doubled its EU market share in the last year, while Tesla lost 30% of its market share in the same time period.

The title is not sensational. If anything, your comment is a bit misleading by not listing the tesla EU market share.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Buy european? I mean if that's an option.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There are lots of EVs by European car manufacturers. The problem is that they have trouble competing on price with the Chinese ones.

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