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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

In my experience people get by with a 3x25A (17 kW available, matches approximately a 70A service in the US)

Wow, how do you do that?

Of course over-provisioning is a thing but that’s crazy. Maybe you have much smaller appliances or assume much lower usage, but 70a basically assumes 2 major appliances at a time, using close to max load, and with nothing else turned on.

Typical 240v major appliances

  • level 2 EV charger: 50a
  • stove: 50a
  • central ac: 40a
  • dryer: 40a
  • heat pump: 50a+
  • water heater: 50a

Of course you won’t use them all at once and they won’t usually be drawing their full rated load but I would not want to deal with being limited to one at a time so I can also turn on the lights or use the microwave

That can theoretically draw 280a, before you even count things like lights and small appliances. If you added up all possible circuits, you may be hitting 1000a theoretical in a modern house. I’m comfortable that My 200a service will handle any combination I might use, but 70a definitely not

By contrast I once lived in an apartment with 60a service. It did not have most of these large appliances but I frequently tripped the main with combinations like stove + window ac + microwave + lights

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Aside from the heat pump we have all of these things and they’re often running all at once. Never had an outside

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

There’s a standard

Then you’d round up to the nearest service level. Realistically, I believe most recent-ish houses are 200a service now with larger ones or hot climates tending to 300a+

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

At least here the electrical service base rate is largely set by the max amperage you can draw from the grid. I'll use my own home's electricity cost breakdown as an example (all listed prices, even the additional tax, include our 25.5 % VAT)

  1. Monthly base rate for your main breaker, depends on your grid operator – mine is 7.63€ for 3x25 A connection (among the cheapest grids in Finland, I previously used another example often seen in smaller cities, which is 29.71 €/month)
  2. Transfer costs, 0.0187 €/kWh during day, 0.0089 €/kWh during night
  3. Electricity tax, 0.0282752 €/kWh, includes national energy security taxes as well
  4. Cost of the actual electricity, typically ranges from -0.05 €/kWh to 0.20 €/kWh with yearly average being about 0.055 €/kWh
  5. Electricity company's margin for spot prices, 0.004 €/kWh
  6. Electricity company's base rate, 4.90 €/Month

For many cities in Finland the base rate for grid connection is considerably higher, and especially for apartments tends to be the majority of your electricity bill outside major urban centers. Even in cities it makes up a large percentage, so there's a big incentive to not overspec your service.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That may be the entire difference, we don’t have that base cost. Our monthly bill is mainly the actual useage, itemized into generating cost, transfer cost, fees and taxes. There is usually an administrative fee but that’s fixed cost.

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