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[–] sudo@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm talking about the present, where everyone knows Israel has nukes but not officially. Not some future scenario where Israel nukes Iran.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Why would you think they would need to be sanctioned for not using them? China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don't discuss sanctioning both of them for it. I would think threatening to use or using them would be the only scenarios where sanctions would be "forced hand" for lack of a better term.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Any state that signs the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is obligated to sanction any other state that didn't but has nuclear weapons.

China is an authorized to have nukes in the NPT as NWS. However, neither India nor Pakistan are NPT signatories and get mixed sanctions based on who is doing it. The US has sanctions on Pakistan but overt nuclear deals with India. China has deals with Pakistan. Australia had sanctions on India until recently.

Basically international law is only enforced if politically expedient. It shouldn't surprise you that Israel certainly wouldn't actually face any actual sanctions if they declared they had nukes. But they are legitimately afraid of getting the Apartheid South Africa treatment so they don't give any ground on the issue.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't see why anyone would care bout that treaty if people can ignore it. Shit the U.S. /India have 1.5 billion dollar satellite being launched into space this week from India. I don't see why we would be sanctioning people and building future endeavors with them.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I don’t see why anyone would care bout that treaty if people can ignore it.

Except we magically give all the shits about it when it comes to Iran. All treaties are selectively applied. Welcome to the world of foreign relations.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's an interesting satellite though if you hadn't seen anything about it yet.

https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-teams-up-with-india-to-launch-first-of-its-kind-1-5-billion-satellite

Seems like it can monitor everything down to moisture levels in soil and is supposed to pass the data for free to research companies, but of course that's what they say now, and who knows how that will play out. Otherwise building agricultural models and seeing how areas are changing over time could be really neat.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don’t discuss sanctioning both of them for it.

nor india and pakistan. that's the conflict I worry about more.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I saw elsewhere that Pakistan stated they would be attacking Israel back with nukes if Israel used them against Iran. Which is why I assume it's a given they won't be used and we won't have to worry about them coming into play

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Which is why I assume it’s a given they won’t be used and we won’t have to worry about them coming into play

yeeeah, I do wonder about that. the world has seen what a few madmen can get away with for a decade here and there... doesn't seem to be stabilizing.