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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but neither Iraq or Afghanistan were responsible for those attacks so NATO has never been mobilized. The US invasion of Iraq, as you already stated before, was not agreed upon by several NATO members including France.

NATO Mission Iraq (NMI) is currently lead by France.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying NATO was mobilized without Article 5 even though NATO members voluntarily enterred Afghanistan? You seem to not understand what NATO is, it is a mutual defense pact that forces its members to participate in a war when one member is attacked, and that has never happened.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

without Article 5

I already linked with sources that Article 5 was invoked and Afghanistan was a NATO mission, not the US and some allies.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Article 5 was not invoked on Afghanistan, Article 5 was invoked over a year possibly 2 years prior after 9/11 which was not perpetrated by Afghanistan.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Article 5 was invoked over a year possibly 2 years prior after 9/11

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) declared an Article 5 contingency through a series of resolutions of the North Atlantic Council enacted between September 12 and October 2, 2001, done in response to the September 11 attacks in the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_5_contingency_(2001)

Nato went into Afghanistan in 2001.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_8189.htm

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The USA went into Afghanistan in 2001, NATO operations officially started in 2003, as per the articles you just linked.

NATO Allies went into Afghanistan in 2001. From August 2003, NATO led the UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which aimed to create the conditions whereby the Afghan government could exercise its authority throughout the country and build the capacity of the Afghan national security forces, including in the fight against international terrorism. ISAF was completed in December 2014 when the Afghan National Defence and Security Forces assumed full responsibility for security across their country.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

NATO ISAF sent troops in January 2002. ISAF took command in 2003.

"Deployed in 2001 – initially under the lead of individual NATO Allies on a six-month rotational basis – ISAF was tasked, on the request of the Afghan government and under a United Nations (UN) mandate, to assist the Afghan government in maintaining security, originally in and around Kabul exclusively. NATO agreed to take command of the force in August 2003 "

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_69366.htm#%3A%7E%3Atext=ISAF+was+first+deployed+in%2Coperate+in+a+secure+environment.

2001 or 2003. Your claim that NATO never mobilized in Afghanistan is false.