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‘No way to invest in a career here’: US academics flee overseas to avoid Trump crackdown
(www.theguardian.com)
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I don't wanna dox myself too much here, but I'm getting ready to return to classes after a career as a sysadmin.
More than just politics, it's the lack of regulation in the tech industry (which is also politics, yes, everything is). I don't think people realize how rapidly the tech industry is eating itself alive. There is a gigantic crash coming and it feels like it's already started, we're just trying our best to keep the tower stable for as long as possible because no one really wants this crash.
But there's no place for me anymore. No one does internal IT because it's too expensive, everything is cloud hosted and MSP provided. And those MSPs are all onboard the AI train to further cut costs and offload support tickets. What little humanity is left is just grease to keep the internet going 24/7, god forbid you can't access the skibidi toilet fandom site without 99.9% uptime (oops, wait, we say 99.999% uptime now in the cloud). The economy is crashing and no one can afford the ever increasing prices of games and services so they're going to cut hard wherever they can which is just going to result in even more layoffs.
I'm done, man. I'm cooked. I'm in my 30's and I'm burnt out as god damn hard as I've ever been and when this is all done, maybe if I'm lucky, I can be the sysadmin for a rural little bank in Lithuania making extremely modest wages but enough to feed myself and my cat and buy what little books and games and tea I need to get through existence. It's not much, but I know I won't find it here anymore.
Try to get a job in Europe. Having a job is crucial for immigration. The European job benefits will look like heaven coming from the US.
Also Europe is normally a bit slower with tech than the US, so you might find your niche here.
Also free healthcare.
I worked hell desk for an MSP for a couple years. I imagine all MSPs are pretty similar. They run with too few employees and half ass everything. I ended up doing a lot of high level stuff most days because I was the only one in the office. The other guys would create problems to be able to go onsite and focus on one job and the company almost encouraged that behavior because onsite visits make money. I was left to do basically everything. I had a lot of freedom and someone less competent could have done some serious damage in my position. They gave us all domain admin privileges and shared passwords for everything.
It was very eye opening, but when I transferred to internal IT for a non profit I was blown away at the difference. People take time to do things correctly and everything is so organized. Our AD environment is partitioned to perfection. I love it. I don't have nearly as much power as I used to, but I love that our team does things the right way. All the companies trying to cut costs by using MSPs are going to learn a harsh lesson one day.
I made the conscious decision to leave marketing last year because I was sick of being part of the propaganda machine to sell shit. I wanted to find a career that solves problems and helps people.
I got my A+ certification in 3 months and was hoping to break into IT, but looked at the tech industry and noped out. In the meantime, I was substitute teaching and found that I actually loved it. I am now in a master’s program for elementary education and really excited to get into a classroom to connect with the kids and be a positive influence on them.
Love you. That's great. You're a good person.
My employer still has an IT team, and I don't think it's going anywhere. We are migrating to "the cloud" but it's slow and mainly a compliance thing so we can go global and house customer data local to them. They're looking for a strong sysadmin / database admin role if you're in the Atlanta area.
Hey thanks, I sincerely appreciate the offer, but I already have plans in the works 😊
I'm probably going to start from scratch to get an MD. And I'm a sys engineer. I can smell the tsunami on the horizon.
What's this tech collapse everybody is feeling in their knees like grandma before it rains? What am I missing? I'm in tech and we're flying, baby.
Available jobs are below the worse time during COVID, and I'm pretty sure the number of CS grads has greatly increased (but couldn't find a good chart).
Interesting. That looks like it sucks for people looking for work. 😐
To add to this, the game industry has had year after year of record-breaking layoffs worse than the 2008 Recession for about 5 years in a row now. They over-hired during the Pandemic, expecting things to not drop off afterward, but this is way beyond that. The big companies are devouring each other and destroying studios they bought for large sums of money only a couple of years later, bleeding talent and creativity out of the workforce along the way as there are too many people laid off and too few jobs. Most of them will never work in the industry again.
Have you ever thought of moving to become a Cloud Admin or DevOps or something?
Currently working as a weird hybrid DevOps Engineer/Solutions engineer position, but I still see job postings for DevOps engineers out there.
But yeah, I’m right there with you, I’m fed up with the IT world and have been thinking of a career change but I just have no idea what kind of career I’d actually like.
May I ask, what are you taking classes for?
I tried the DevOps pivot, but wasn't real happy with it. Maybe some of it is just being located near a big tech hub right now, but I found most of the roles tied to startups that were just going to reinforce the kind of burnout I'm in.
Cyber Security is the new pivot. I figure the sysadmin background will give me a good leg up and there'll always be a call for security.
So what classes will you be taking? I'm assuming you're returning to classes to pivot?
Cyber Security. It's close to the IT/Sysadmin world I know so I feel like I'll have a good start. I figure there's no such thing as job security anymore, but there'll always be a need for strong security.
From what I've read, that's a good choice!
What do you mean tech crash? Employment crash?