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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

When was Iran tolerable? They're still as much of a fucked up theocracy with a terrible record on human rights as they've been since the revolution.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

And they're less terrible than any country that is supporting Israel's Holocaust in Gaza.

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I recall seeing a lot of posts on here praising the leadership whenever they said anything negative about Trump

But that's about the only stuff positive about Iran I've seen on here.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I said tolerable to the media. Been barely discussed in UK media until Israel attacked them, now they're scrambling to justify it based on how bad Iran is...

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not in the UK, but I recall Iran being in the media a lot in China and the US. Back when Trump assassinated one of their generals during his first term, the recurring abductions and rapes of women and young girls by the morality police that sparked nationwide protests, the arms they are providing for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, and now Israel's unprovoked attack on Iranian infrastructure and citizens.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What do you expect iran to do want the whole west is imposing severe sanctions harming regular citizens. Iran as no choice but to work with russia. Iran could have been an neutral country if americans, israelis and britosh didn't support the shah coup

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.

We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Based on your other comment, I'm inclined to agree with the liberals.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 43 minutes ago

So you agree that you're a tankie Putin simp? Fair enough I suppose.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.

Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 hours ago

Ukraine is also pretty shitty, but no one seems to have any problem understanding why people would cheer them on when they get attacked.

Funny how liberals can only extend that privilege to white countries

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.

Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.

1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 19 hours ago

Basically nothing for 2 years (the protests ended), and the first term for Trump ended in 2021, so 4 years ago. The only thing I have seen is about arms sales, occasionally and it doesn't express any opinion other than an Iran drone was used.

In the last few days since the attack, it's quite a lot about nuclear weapons that may be 2 months, 2 years or a 20 years away, and now about journalists. Basically, the strategy has changed to bumping them up the enemies list to justify the attacks.

We don't see much about the Syrian leader, as he's not much of a terrorist now he's working with the West.

It's interesting how media can pivot their narratives about who the heroes and villains are at any time, and it's always in line with government foreign policy.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Welp, you convinced me, I now support killing as many Iranians, men women and children, as it takes to save Iranians from the yoke of the Islamic Republic. /s

Waging war on Iran will not improve the situation of any Iranian, even the worst off. Do not use the name of the people who will be slaughtered by the millions for your warmongering propaganda.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not sure how you got any of that from what I was saying. Feel free to take your black and white worldview somewhere else.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago

Oh, I just assumed that your parroting of the mainstream media justifications of this war of aggression to be an assent of this war. Sorry, my bad.