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[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Stupid? Social media has already been used for manipulation. Apart from that, Trump always accuses his opponents of doing what he himself ultimately does.... Yes, all the accusations of manipulation from the last lost election were already targeted manipulation, and by a criminal... It was precisely with these accusations that he managed to keep the Democrats quiet and he was able to create even more of a mood with his fascist behavior.

Besides this all the lie's etc 24/7..

Oh yes, the arbitrary closing of polling stations and the premature ending of the vote count. The ignoring of so many declared votes...

[–] Godwins_Law@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But the evidence has to be ironclad to be actionable or else we're no better then them.

[–] minoscopede@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Context: I worked in IAM (computer security) at a past job.

In computer security, we don't wait to get proof that a vulnerability was exploited. We have to operate under the assumption that any vulnerability was immediately exploited, and take immediate action to fix it and limit the impact. Doubly so when the stakes are high.

We need popular support to get real security experts to investigate these claims. If there was even a single path that could have led to a vulnerability of this scale, we need to completely secure these systems and do an immediate recount/re-vote.

I'll also say, I was surprised to learn that these voting systems and their specs are not fully public and open source. That alone makes me very uncomfortable. Security through obscurity is not security at all.

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That may be true. However, there were no accusations of vote rigging from either politicians or the public. Nor was this investigated... The election was not even checked for manipulation even though there were so many indications of it. Up to that point, however, there had been more than enough that would have more than justified investigations, but absolutely nothing was done.

However. Not counting and ignoring countless legal ballot papers and arbitrarily ending postal voting early etc. is actually proof enough of election manipulation. Since this itself is a means of manipulating the election results and this was even made public without opposition.