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i don't see you on a single post about israeli crimes and you think you smart and can fool people into thinking you don't support the terrorist state of israel
I choose the side not killing innocent people. Violence breads violence.
The leadership Israel is committing genocide. That doesn't mean that the opposite side are Angles. They just have less military force to kill with.
You are right Violence begets Violence that's why 7 of October atrocities happened. Israel started violence by occupying Gaza and the west bank in 67 and continued to kill Palestinians regularly.
7 of October is everybody fault especially the west with their strong economies that could have stopped Israel in 67 with extremity sanctions and kept ignoring decades of Israeli terrorisms. Before the 7 of October atrocities the whole western world was sleeping m only wake up for few minutes every time Palestinians retaliate after settlers violence , creation of new settlements or Palestinians whole neighborhoods to be evicted like in Sheikh Jarrah
In short, it is a mess
It is almost like you shouldn't promise the same land to to different groups of people looks at UN
Let me ask you a straight forward question, do you support the Oct 7th terrorist attacks? It's a simple yes or no question.
No. Now answer this question do you condemn Israel 77 years of terrorism and do you support attacks on idf terrorists?
No, I don't support them, I'm glad we're on the same page. My whole point is that terrorism should be universally condemned.
what about attacking the idf terrorists?
We have to make several distinctions.
So by using the above parameters, Israel and Palestine attacking each other is only ever justified when:
So for example, if a Palestinian group launched rockets at an IDF airbase that is being used to bomb Gaza, that would be a justified attack. However, if the same groups goes into an Israeli town and kills an entire family in their house because someone in there served in the IDF at some point is not justified. The same goes the other way, Israel bombing an actual Hamas weapons stash is justified, but them bombing a hospital is not.
We agree about civilians but occupying forces should simply end occupation. None of their military actions is legal similar to Russia military operation on Ukraine army is illegal
But what exactly does that mean in this case? Like, what is the end result that you're hoping would become reality.
For me, this would mean Israel completely pulling out of the West Bank and Gaza and letting Palestine become an actual state. From that point on, they would cease hostilities and establish a no first use policy where one can only attack the other if it was attacked first. This is my ideal outcome as it gives both people self determination.
But we're not talking about legality, we're talking about the morality of using terrorism as a mean of achieving anything. The principle holds true regardless of conflict.
A one state solution would be the best solution. If not a two state solution, the problem with the two state solution is that Israel will kick out Arab Israelis from Israel and settlers will be kicked out from the west bank
Morality say that we should support the oppressed side . We can hold anybody who is responsible of war crimes and terrorists accountable once occupation end from both side
Oh, that is a good point. It's crazy to think about, but a population exchange will end up displacing around 3 million people.
The issue with the one state solution is that both sides reject living along side each other, let alone under the rule of the other. In order for a one state solution to work, both need to be able to accept coexistence and support full rights for all, but that's a tall order considering how much they hate each other.
I think we're heading towards a single Israeli state that encompasses all the territory regardless. I just hope that the Israeli left will win out and use the country's democratic institutions to push giving the Palestinians they annexed or will annex their full rights, and by doing so hopefully make the Palestinian population abandon the militant groups.
I disagree. Morality isn't about supporting sides, it's about rejecting harmful behaviors universally. For example, we can both agree that Palestinians in Gaza are oppressed. But these people are facing layers oppression. Israel is oppressing them with an ethnic cleansing campaign, Egypt is adding on to it by helping enforce the blockade, Hamas and the other militant groups inside Gaza are piling on the oppression by ruling the strip with tyranny. These are all parties responsible for an immoral injustice against the same people, yet they are enemies. Supporting one over the other instead of opposing all of them is just helping perpetuate a cycle of oppression. What these people need is a clean slate, not a slightly less oppressive slate.
Even in case of a two state solution. Israel and palestine land is all connected nothing separate them. If you believe the two population don't want peace then violence will still continue regardless of if it is a one state or two state
I mean that is the case, at least per the polling. I wonder what the right path would be to deradicalize two populations that hate each other.
A good Truth and Reconciliation plan like in any other major conflict
Except the people in those "israeli" towns are illegally occupying the land.
I do. And it was legal according to international law. What about it?
That isn't a straight forward question and I think you know that
Don't pick arguments just to argue. You are putting coal into the fire. This is rage bait.
But it is straightforward for anybody with the bare minimum levels of morality. Terrorists attacks are bad, end of story. If you find yourself trying to justify terrorism then you've gone off the deep end.