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Image is of a solar park in Cuba, donated last year by China, sourced from this article.


To be honest, I don't have much to say about ongoing geopolitical events that hasn't already been said in previous threads (e.g. with India/Pakistan, Trump/Putin, and of course occupied Palestine), so this is more of a "news roundup" preamble for this week.

As we all know, the US (and the imperial core generally) has only three permitted international actions: sanctions, color revolution, and war. None of these have been going well lately, but sanctions are in particularly dire straits right now. Three examples from the last week or so:

  • The EU is on its 17th sanctions package, apparently, which is surprising, as I thought they were on their 76th or something. It apparently targets Russia's shadow fleet of oil tankers, but I don't think anybody actually gives a shit because we all know it won't achieve anything, so, moving on...

  • The head of Nvidia (as well as many others) have come out and said that the US chip export controls on China have failed, remarking that China's internal motivations to develop alternatives are strong and proceeding rapidly, especially as China's number of skilled scientists is only growing. Nvidia has said that they had a 95% share of China's AI chip market in 2020 or so, but now they only have 50%.

  • Lastly, an interesting one: Iran has received its first set of railway shipment of solar panels from China, and there is hope for accelerating shipments of even more products. Myself and many others have predicted a decoupling of Iran from the West and towards China and Russia (especially if any Western-built product could have Israeli devices implanted into them, such as with the pager terrorist attack on Lebanon's doctors), and having a strong link with China will be a necessary step for Iran and their allies to continue their offensives against Israel.


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[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

@xiaohongshu@hexbear.net, in last week's thread you mentioned the need to reduce wealth inequality in China, but I don't remember if you've previously discussed a specific mechanism for this? Is a wealth tax feasible in China? Income taxes seem pretty ineffective at this. I don't really know much about their current tax structure. Expropriation would also work, but that seems hard to scale (as well as disruptive).

[–] ffmpreg@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

3 main types need to be implemented: capital gains, inheritance, and customs. realistically these reforms can probably only be implemented after the current geopolitical turbulence is over as such changes would mostly affect bureaucrat-oligarch party insiders and would face much more internal resistance than even the purges of the last decade. as such, there is likely significant vested interest within the party to keep the US on life support as much as possible. not in the XHS sense that they will allow the USD to indefinitely parasitize the world (that would be naive and ignorant of the current nature of capital), but rather that they're aiming for a steady and controlled detonation of US hegemony and a relatively seamless and painless transition of power; the CPC have mostly learned the lesson that the soviet union was in reality america's greatest ally, and that it was the americans that lost the most from soviet dissolution.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think so, I just don't really have experience with how these would look if done in good faith, instead of being designed to fail.

For example the estate tax seems pretty simple and effective and politically safe, you'd just have to ban all the trust funds and 'step up in basis' and other nonsense the US/West allows. Maybe other approaches would also end up simpler than expected, idk. And I really know almost nothing about how taxes currently work in China (or other AES) so I feel like I don't have a lot of reference points for something that seems like it should be simple and intuitive.

[–] ffmpreg@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i'm not an accountant, so i don't know what the specifics would look like, but i would like to point out that the main problem here is political and not technical. just as the US as it stands could technically print its way out of any economic hard spot, technically, china could also pivot to an electricity backed currency on top of thoroughly modernizing its water purification and distribution networks. these in conjunction with the tax reforms would usher in another round of growth that would be on par with the post GFC real estate boom as well as position china favorably at the beginning of a parallel and more modern economic order. unfortunately, reform of those three taxes is equivalent to a revolution for the bourgeoisie, and would count as the fourth major redistribution event (could also be considered elite replacement event if we're feeling superstructural) in the CPC's history after the GLF, GPCR and reform and opening up.

i personally don't find it likely that the party has the internal political will or consensus to commit to reforms on this level, but thankfully we have comrade trump to act as an external catalyst, and so it remains to be seen how things will play out.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

just as the US as it stands could technically print its way out of any economic hard spot

It depends. There is no such thing as money printing, not just in the sense that money is electronic entries now. But that the money has to "printed" first before being taxed.

The school textbooks tell you taxes pay for Gov spending. But where did people get the money to pay taxes with? It must have been created first.

All money has to be created first. Banks do it by giving loans, Government does it by spending. Bank money and Government money are the widely accepted forms of money.

I'm not saying US can "print" its way out of problems. But the US can mobilize unemployed/underemployed domestic resources and put them into better use.

[–] ffmpreg@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But the US can mobilize unemployed/underemployed domestic resources and put them into better use.

like i said, it's a political problem, not a technical one. to utilize those resources is likely politically toxic as of right now, which is why we don't see any movement thereof. like, if real life were a map painting game, the one billion americans meme is probably not such a bad idea for the US in the medium term, but it's constrained less by how fast the US can birth/import 600 millionish burgerlings and more by the willingness of the american ruling class to create conditions that can sustain that level of spawn. how fast the culture at the top changes is anyone's guess and it's a race to the bottom on both sides of the pacific.

in any case, as good marxists, it is understood that political solutions are usually downstream of material changes. considering the current rate of nothings happening per week, i think it is not overly optimistic that we will begin to see the quantitative changes accumulating into some sort of transition stage toward qualitative transformation in the next 2 to 5 years. whether or not that transformation is something actually conducive to the human race, again, remains to be seen.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

Hopefully something happens.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They need to raise the minimum wages and force companies of a certain size to provide healthcare, pensions, etc. This would resolve a lot of these issues

[–] miz@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

no don't mediate healthcare through employment it gives the employer too much power

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Employers above a certain size should fund the public healthcare instead. Better healthcare for everyone, basically why medicare is still relatively decent in the USA

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Is that really needed? State should pay for it. Have the state owned hospitals charge nothing for treatment.

Private companies will pay corporate tax not tied to anything.

I think having employers "pay" could result in a situation where the Government claims it can't "afford to" provide Healthcare due to lack of inflows into the fund or too much outflows due to ageing population. Like what happened with Social Security "fund" in the U.S.

Of course, I'm not saying it WILL happen, but I don't think such "funds" are a good idea long term.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As it currently stands, most people in China buy their own insurance which is through the state and the care is primarily given through public providers. the easiest move would be to just have employers pay that insurance fee, or even a higher insurance fee that covers a higher amount of coverage since the public insurance doesn't always cover all fees. since the insurance and providers are not profit driven, the prices remain affordable, but having the company take over paying for the employee is essentially a wage increase of the cost of the insurance.

some people say the state should just provide free healthcare for everyone, a "socialism is when the government does stuff" type position, but I think in the Chinese context having an entirely publicly owned insurance and healthcare provider scheme means access to quality healthcare is higher than in the US despite the large wealth disparity, and moving the burden of paying for the insurance directly to employers means that worker's spending money goes up without losing any healthcare access, and corporate taxes can pay for other things instead of healthcare.

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah a small island nation is not the same as over a billion people, go figure. Cuba is like one neighborhood in Chongqing

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah it should be a lot fucking easier to do as China than Cuba, they can barely import enough fuel to keep the lights on

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Aside from the support Cuba relies on from China to provide what they provide, I really don't think it should be easier to provide healthcare for 1.4 billion people versus 11 million. Your example of rural Chinese people with critical illnesses having medical debt is very specific context, and China's system is locally funded so smaller rural areas have less funds.

It would be great for China to change to a single payer universal system but the cost of that alone would be larger than the GDP of many nations on Earth. It's not as simple as "the government doing stuff"

edit: actually I just looked it up, in 2023 the total healthcare cost in China was 1,249,253,919,000.00 USD compare that to around 11-14 billion in Cuba.

this includes the out of pocket expenses that individuals have to pay. Thinking it would be simple for China to just pay all that for everyone right now seems pretty detached from reality to me, but maybe you can get hired by the PRC to balance their budgets

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

maybe you can get hired by the PRC to balance their budgets

Maybe you can join a reading group here before using some thought terminating cliche like "balance budgets".

in 2023 the total healthcare cost in China was 1,249,253,919,000.00 USD compare that to around 11-14 billion in Cuba.

This is the same amount per person.

I think you've defaulted to defensiveness because AES are often attacked by leftcoms but that's not necessary here

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Imagine me making a joke about you thinking you know how to run China better than they do and you using it to further project your chauvinism.

Anyway, yes the same amount per person at a scale many orders of magnitudes higher is suddenly a different thing, something you can't seem to wrap your head around. I guess your reading group missed the material part of dialectical materialism.

The process of uneven development in China is different than that of Cuba, but sure, continue to assert that because Cuba is doing something that means China is in a position to do the same thing.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If it is done like that, the government must be willing to add enough money to the fund always if its running low. No excuses like "we can't pay for it because people are ageing" etc.

And unemployed/self-employed ppl should also get similar "insurance" for free, it must be universal in nature.

And corporate taxes should really be seen as a way to reduce private profits and inequality than a funding source. Funding precedes taxation. So the capitalist goes to a bank, the bank adds numbers to their bank account (and a similar loan account), they hire workers, workers create stuff, they take profit from workers, bank is paid back, some of the profit is taxed.

For context the Chinese healthcare system is basically run on neoliberal brainworms (except competently).

You'd rip out the entire system instead of doing these little top up fixes to expand access and coverage.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Social security and medicare are pulled from employment the same way. A major reason these funds are underfunded is because of the cap on it - salaries above $170k don't pay any more.

I agree it isn't the best but its better than employers funding individual's health insurance policies like in the USA for people under 65

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exactly, as it stands it is on the individual to pay for insurance themselves, making employers pay for it directly is better because it takes the burden off the individual and off the state. It would still be standardized through the state but funded by companies directly

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think in this case it could still be standardized through the state but the employer has to pay for it and guarantee it for a set period after firing an employee. It effectively just puts the burden of payment directly on the businesses and then the taxes they have to pay can go to other things Definitely an issue in capitalist states but I think China could do it differently

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I like this site you can find many sources from top Chinese economists translated here, it doesn't advocate anything its a translation site on msm econ topics.

One proposal, "David Daokui Li calls for 1.25 trillion yuan pension increase for Chinese farmers" "High-profile Tsinghua economist exposes artificial inequality among different classes of Chinese people and says the Chinese government can absolutely afford it."

Since you mention an interest in Chinese taxes I'll focus more on this topic.

On Chinese taxes: "Book Excerpt: why personal income tax matters little in China"

"Wei Cui, Professor at the University of British Columbia, on how the economic elite in China hatched up a deal with the government to their own benefits"

This is a long exerpt I recommend reading in full, but here is an explanation of the recent history of Chinese income tax scheme and the problems caused by seemingly "benefitial" ideas at first glance

The TL;DR is that not only is a wealth tax not feasible, the history since the 90's to now shows the CPC realy bought into the liberal economic argument in favor of smaller taxes, despite naive good intentions of helping the poor it also helped the richest cities and wage earners disproportionately.

Rather than a wealth tax they need to do a complete 180 on these policies, alas its 15 years too late. Are income taxes ineffective? When you don't actualy tax the rich yeah. The problem though is substituting income tax for consumption tax which is far worse.

spoiler

The primary factor that explains the stagnant revenue contribution of the Chinese PIT since 2006 is the changing amount of monthly wage income that is exempt from the tax. In taxing wage income, the Chinese PIT imposes a progressive rate structure on monthly wage income above an exemption threshold. Between 1994 and 2006, this threshold was set at CNY 800. As urban wage income grew, more and more employees began to be subject to PIT withholding. Even so, the average PIT rate on wage income faced by urban households only increased from 1.1% to 3.1% from 1997 to 2005. In comparison, the general VAT rate was 17% throughout this period and most consumer services were subject to the Business Tax at 5%. Taxes on consumer expenditures thus bore much, much more heavily on the purchasing power of Chinese taxpayers than the PIT.

Nonetheless, the National People’s Congress (NPC) raised the PIT exemption threshold for wages to CNY 1,600 in 2006, and just 1 year later, to CNY 2,000. The result was that the lowest six deciles of wage earners in urban China paid nearly no PIT in 2008. Zhan et al 2019 showed that in 2007, the median individual wage income in an urban household lay below the CNY 19,200 amount that corresponded to the CNY 1,600 monthly exemption applicable that year. Xu et al 2013 calculates that in 2008, the lowest 6 deciles of urban earners of income contributed 5.4% of total PIT revenue—as compared with 4.4% in 1997 and 11.5% in 2005. Their calculation includes PIT revenue on all sources of income (e.g., sole proprietor business income, interests, etc.) and not just wages, and suggests that all of the PIT revenue gains from increasing urban wages before 2008 were wiped out by the lifting of the exemption threshold that year to CNY 2,000.

Notably, because the urban population was only 45% of China’s total population in 2007 but by far the richer, urban households already represented the richer half of Chinese people. Any further increase of the monthly exemption threshold would only benefit the richest 18% of Chinese individuals.

But that was exactly what the government chose to do. In 2011, Premier Wen Jiabao requested the NPC to raise the monthly exemption amount to CNY 3,500: within just 5 years, the exemption level increased by 337%. The Ministry of Finance estimated at the time that this reduced the number of PIT taxpayers from 28% of urban wage earners to 12%. (Using the urban household survey, Zhan et al 2019 confirmed that even in 2013, the median wage income was clearly below CNY 42,000—the annual amount exempted under the 2011 PIT change.) Moreover, the 2011 PIT change broadened rate brackets, such that even in 2013, less than 3% of urban wage earners faced marginal tax rates higher than 20%, and a vanishing portion faced marginal rates higher than 25%.

The 2011 legislative change to the PIT was devastating to PIT administration in China. Many cities lost almost all of their PIT revenue from wages. One city where I recently conducted research ranked in the top third decile of Chinese cities in per capita GDP terms in 2017 (its GDP per capita level was 117% of China’s national average). In that year, 86.1% out of all returns filed by wage withholding agents (i.e., employers) reported zero PIT remittable. In terms of individual wage earners reported on these withholding returns, only 36.4% had a positive PIT liability. This was after urban average wages increased 80% from 2011 to 2017! Because the PIT generates so little revenue, most local tax agencies cannot afford to invest in auditing individual taxpayers and compiling databases about them. Therefore, even the government itself has little information about individuals’ income.

In 2018, the Chinese government took this information-destroying tax policy further, and raised the monthly exemption again to CNY 5,000, corresponding to an annual amount of CNY 60,000. Only two provincial jurisdictions, Beijing and Shanghai, had average individual income above that level in that year. The 2018 PIT legislation also moved further up the rate brackets, so that one needed to earn CNY 204,000 a year (USD 32,380) to face even a 20% marginal tax rate. Moreover, on top of the generous exemptions and wide rate brackets, the 2018 PIT legislation introduced “additional special deductions” for high-income households, such as the mortgage interest expense and children’s education deductions. This means that rich Chinese families can send children to study abroad and claim a PIT deduction for a portion of the expense. Researchers have calculated that these special deductions may further remove 5% of the urban wage-earning population from the PIT tax base.

The government’s repeated undercutting of the PIT since 2006 went against the preferences of bureaucrats in the Ministry of Finance and the State Administration of Taxation. How the rich in China has been so successful in persuading the decisionmakers in China’s State Council to enact the tax cuts is a puzzle. (Most scholars of public finance in China either offered faint praise for the tax cuts or remained silent, perhaps to avoid public derision for asserting that the PIT should remain higher.) One might speculate that two factors are likely relevant.

First, the regions that benefit most from the tax cuts are the rich cities hosting the highest wage earners—Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, etc. These cities have engaged in tax competition for many years by handing (borderline-illegal) PIT tax breaks to bankers and entrepreneurs. They have also continuously sponsored a media mis-information campaign claiming that the low PIT rates in Hong Kong and Singapore are the international norm, and that China needs to cut its top marginal tax rates to be “internationally competitive.” One might thus conjecture that the State Council has been particularly influenced by these regions in making tax policy. Second, the Chinese government has tolerated public attacks on the PIT, as though complaints about taxation represent one subject where public dissent is permitted. The PIT thus appears to be a preferred way for China’s political leadership to cut deals with the country’s economic elite.

This is a continuation of the previous article

Not even myself or others actual economists(e.g my favorite Michael R.) who have been talking about China's pivot to neoliberal incentives in the recent years, here more Chinese economists also warn and protest against further expansion of income tax reforms.

Taxman against further cutting personal income tax in China

spoilerIn the past several months, Sheng Songcheng, Adjunct Professor of Economics and Finance at China Europe International Business School and former Director General of the Financial Survey and Statistics Department at the People’s Bank of China (PBoC), Yu Miaojie, President of Liaoning University, and other opinion leaders have again launched attacks at the already feeble PIT regime, in the name of stimulating consumption.

Unsurprisingly, Chinese media, also run by elites who might mistakenly believe they are poor, have widely platformed their well-intentioned but misinformed, regressive views in outlets like Southern Weekly and Guancha.

This time, the taxman defended against further cuts yesterday, publishing a rebuttal from Renmin University of China professor Yue Ximing on its front page.

It’s very straightforward: the genuinely poor Chinese wage earners cannot possibly benefit from further cuts of the PIT since they already don’t have to pay PIT. And these little guys don’t have discourse power against the tax cuts for the rich.

As you will read in the following translation, only 30% of wage earners pay PIT, which, by definition, means they are in the top 30% of the country in terms of regular income.

Among them, less than 40% pay a PIT rate above 3%. In other words, any further cuts to PIT, including increasing exemptions, will only benefit the top 12% of wage earners in the Communist Party-governed socialist country.

So what to do and where to start? IMO reverting the current income tax trend could be a start, add capital gains etc. Yet it all requires the CPC to change course, IMO not happening.