According to the source above, the Arab leaders used arguments such as: “We will sweep them [the Jews] into the sea.” or “We shall eradicate Zionism.”

Now we can all be ashamed together.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You inserted brackets "[the Jews]", but the text refers to Zionists. This is not the same. One could be interpreted as anti colonial, while your edits implies it's against an ethnicity

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 14 points 10 months ago

OP copy pasted from Wikipedia, your point is valid. Just wanted to point out it's not OP who inserted brackets, someone else is to blame.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

You inserted brackets “[the Jews]”, but the text refers to Zionists. This is not the same

I mean it could have the same implied or real meaning. Did they mean to imply that they'd drive all Jews to the sea or would some Jews have been allowed to stay?

[–] iain@feddit.nl 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Two nitpicks:

that was said by Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, who is Egyptian, not Palestinian
there's a huge difference between a threatened expulsion of some colonizers (words) and actual genocide of the indigenous population (actions)

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Well they didn't manage to do it so it's fine"

[–] iain@feddit.nl 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, there is a big difference between the crimes you commit and the ones you don't commit.

If we're going to judge countries based off what politicians of OTHER countries say, we'll be here all night. Fuck Canada for the shit Trump says, etc.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

We do judge countries based on that what is said and what they do.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, but then address the point that the guy was Egyptian and not Palestinian?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not like they haven't expressed the same desire.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then post that instead

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Post what instead of what?

[–] iain@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago

Post an example of Palestinian people calling for genocide instead of a some unrelated dude.

I know why people keep quoting this unrelated dud:, it's to make you think that "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call to genocide. It's not, it's a call for freedom. Both quotes just use the word "sea", but are otherwise not related.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 3 points 10 months ago

But they tried.

[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh they tried, what do you think would have happened if Israel lost their first war?

[–] iain@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

You've already made up in your mind that the Palestinians are genicidal, in order to justify their colonization, oppression and murder by the Israelis. You do this for your own peace of mind. You need to do that because if you didn't, you would see it for what it is, a people fighting for its liberation. You require the Palestinians were all perfect pacifists, going along with their own ethic cleansing and genocide.

[–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

That is scary but also Israel is a Christo-fascist white colonial settler project to establish a base of operations and influence in the strategically important middle east.

It may not be an individual citizen's responsibility, just like a Canadian citizen isn't responsible for the 60s Scoop, or an Americans for Manifest Destiny. But no progress can ever be made unless those of us who are settlers acknowledge the sins of the past, and how we perpetuate them today.

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Arab leaders being bad does neither make the Palestinian People bad nor does it make "the west" better.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He never implied that, he said let's be ashamed "together".

[–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Sounds kinda centrist...

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Ah ok I didn't really know what they meant with that.