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[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes, you did.We saw it. It was recorded. Stop lying, goddamn you.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The sophistry here is that the presidential oath doesn't contain the word "support". It's complete bullshit but you never know with this SCOTUS.

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure how support doesn't fall under "preserve, protect and defend" in every way that's meaningful

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is the sophistry part. It clearly was intended to be a higher level of oath that included the lower one. Watch: SCOTUS will say that the president actually doesn't have to support the Constitution.

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Textualism at it's finest

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, a Colorado court just decided that he did engage in an insurrection, and the phrase "office of the president" appears all over all sorts of documentation, but the guy who holds the office of the president is not an officer, so he's allowed to commit treason and still run for president

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much. Exploiting the loopholes.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

not even a loophole. they're just pretending the law is different than it is because they want it to be

Nuh-uh! That's just lamestream media propaganda! /s

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is this comment so heavily upvoted? His argument is not that he never took an oath, but that the wording of it was not to "support."

It still a stupid argument as far as I'm concerned, although it may be a good legal one, but its clear you didn't even bother to read the argument, yet are very confident in your ignorance.

These are exactly the type of comments that should be down voted.

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trymps arguments are moving goal posts, he's a narcissist. For the past 6 years we have all given him the benefit of the doubt and America and the rest of the world have been debating what he really means at every tweet and followed the narrative that HE wanted us to follow. Had we all taken OPs approach earlier and more often this guy would be in an old people's house where he belongs, bragging with incontinent people about passing the men, woman camera TV test.

We should have called a funking liar and a demented that cannot articulate a point instead of talking to each other about what his argument was. This is staring from the media and down to individuals.

Remember if your uncle behaved like this at thanksgiving dinner you'd have him checked.