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[–] sxan@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I think I'm really unusual in that I dislike almost everything after IV. I think the first film was brilliant, back when Lucas was fighting for money and had to rely on vision and had Campbell to advise with. After that it was all introducing cutesy characters strictly for marketing, they all lacked the charm of the original.

I know I'm an exception. Nearly everyone liked V and/or VI more. Everyone dunks on Jar Jar, but I could not stand the Ewoks. It was so disgustingly blatant.

At the time I was dying for sequels, and when they finally came I was so disappointed. You know, I think I just realized that it was the Vader/Luke connection that sunk it for me. That all of the major characters had to be related somehow made the universe smaller, and more petty. They only got worse after that; I think I watched all of I-III, but I actively hated those.

Anyway, I think there might have been a path, and I'm no story teller so I couldn't fix it, but I think the while thing went off the rails after IV.

Good friends have told me the Mandelorian was good, but "Baby Yoda" represents everything I loathed about the series and I refuse to watch it.

Anyway, what were you saying about the Hero's Journey? Maybe I should watch The Last Jedi, because while the Campbell formula worked for the first film, it didn't improve any of the sequels, so maybe I'd like it. As long as there are no obviously pandering character designs that exist clearly because they can easily be marketed as toys. Looking at you, BB-8.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, have you seen Andor at all?

I won't push you to watch Star Wars since it seems like you've landed where you have for good reason, but if in the event you were looking to give any piece of Star Wars media another chance, Andor is the one I'd choose.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Absolutely. But that's just my preference.

Mandalorian is really just a spaghetti western with a Star Wars skin. It has cool moments, but also doesn't take itself too seriously, a mix of action and comedy, and though the individual episode plots are contrived, they know the more important things is really just spending time with the characters. But if you don't like the characters, then the whole thing kinda falls apart, like what happened with the boring Boba Fett spinoff.

Andor is a spy drama which goes all in on the gravity of its plot. It's not lighthearted, doesn't have goofy moments or mascot characters, and despite taking place immediately before the original trilogy, it's not riding the coattails of nostalgia. An almost 100% human cast with no helmets or painted skin also makes it easier for the quality of acting to really shine on the screen.

Merely being different doesn't inherently make one better than the other, but what makes Andor stand apart for me at least is that it is the only Star Wars property I know of that was not at all made for children. Not that it's crass or gory or full of profanity, but it tackles topics like fascism and genocide that could never be as thoroughly explored in any other Star Wars property intended for children.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 21 hours ago

Andor is an incredible espionage thriller and I do absolutely love it.

This is also why I liked Rogue One and also the series "Rebels."

It made the Empire believable, and the Rebels really are an insurgency, the galactic situation is dire and against overwhelming odds. It doesn't just feel like a hero fantasy.

(Rebels can sometimes, it's geared to a younger audience, but it takes itself surprisingly seriously in a great way.)

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

Sold. I'll watch it.

[–] SteposVenzny@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago

There are a bunch of adorable space critters that you’ll think are that when you’re watching the movie, and they certainly were marketed and merchandised like crazy, but they’re actually there due to the unwanted presence of adorable Earth critters during filming. They couldn’t shoot the scenes without including these birds that lived where they were shooting so the solution they came up with was CGI-ing weird faces on them and including some close-ups to make them look deliberate.