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First, I disagree that Russia saw Ukraine as turning into a long war. They thought they were going to blitzing into Kyiv and force a change of government. They thought they would do the 1968 Prague thing and it would just be over. He did not expect to still be fighting almost two years later.
Second, if they can’t manage to properly invade a country on their own border after being able to set their own timelines, position their troops and plan supply lines, and draw up plan after plan for contingencies- there’s no way they open up a second front, especially against a NATO country.
This is just saber-rattling in order to try to scare European countries from continuing to send weapons to Ukraine.
If anyone thinks that Russia does not have plans to invade Europe at large, they are sorely mistaken. I bet Ukrainians do find such plans fairly often.
Question is when they will attempt to act on them. I agree, it would be fairly insane to open a second front. Then again, I thought it was fairly insane to open the first one.
I gurantee you NATO has those plans as well only to be able to react quickly, if Russia does something. They would be modified, but it would be a usefull bases. So the question is if Putin wants to invade and that is less likely.
@MrMakabar @AlteredStateBlob
Sure. Ukraine will have to fall due to lack of American support after Trump elected. The USA under Tram also will not exist as we know US now. Russian money, useful idiots and American people will do that.
Right now most support for Ukraine comes from European countries and not the US. The biggest single donor is the EU and its members donate even more individually. I can see Ukraine having a problem going offensive, but the support should be enough to not be overrun.
That is if Trump is elected, which is not a given. After all Biden has won an election against Trump before.
Even if Trump gets elected and Russia invades, the EU is far from being weak. The EU has more soldiers then Russia, with a bigger population, which are better equiped and a much bigger economy. Adding that to your enemies list is just dumb. Not that Russia is the brightest.