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On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
What rights do non trans have that the trans don't?
How about re-entering the US as a US citizen with a passport doesn't have a gender matching their birth certificate?
Yeah, that's a thing that's happened in the last 100-ish days...
The right to live as the gender you want
That is a right u got in most first world countries.
List some examples. Very few countries have equal right for trans people enshrined in law. Certainly not in the US or the UK.
In Australia, UK, nz, and I'm sure a bunch of places in Europe. Its illegal to discriminate based upon gender identity.
The rest of the rights are given to all people regardless of how they identify.
Didn't hear about the recent Supreme Court ruling on trans women in the UK, huh? The others countries you mentioned might be fine for all I know, but I guarantee you that the vast majority of the world does not live in countries with trans rights enshrined in law.
Please go into detail about the Supreme Court ruling
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/understanding-implications-uk-supreme-courts-ruling
Do you have an unbiased or neutral source? I'd like to hear from some of the lawyers, activists and judges who pushed the ruling through the court.
Look it up yourself if you actually care and aren't just acting in bad faith.
You don't get to call me bad faith after linking a biased source, dude, come on.
But from my understanding:
The ruling focused on whether a trans woman with a gender recognition certificate is protected from discrimination as a woman under Britain's Equality Act. Activists for Women's Rights said that including a trans woman as a biological woman under the law could impact single-sex services for women, such as refuges, hospital wards and sports. It's important to note that some victims of rape or sexual assault have an extreme aversion to male chararistics, such as genitalia or any other male sexual chararistics. And that despite the rapid advancements of surgery and HRT, there still remains male characteristics that may be unfair in sports or other scenarios, our medical technology isn't there yet -- But like all things, it all depends on the individual.
What kickstarted the activism was a law by the Scottish government to place more women in public sector roles. It also said that trans women are the same as biological women, which is unrelated to include in a small bill that no other bill has ever mentioned before. Why is this particular bill vaguely defining what a woman is, but no other bill has yet done so? Activists tried the government in court and failed before going to the Supreme Court.
The court discussed the differences between sex and gender and what that actually means. How do you define sex? Is your sex your identity? When do we look at someone's sex or gender? They concluded that a biological woman is determined by their biological sex, meaning sexual chararistics.
It also doesn't exclude trans men or women from the Equality Act, as they still fall under its protection, no one has lost any rights. The change is that there is now a separation and definition of gender and sex and clearer wording for what constitutes as a single-sex space.
Legally, it offers long-term clarity for businesses and organisations that have been left to interpret ambiguous and sometimes contradictory legislation on their own until this point. A case example is that a trans woman, who is pre-op and pre-HRT, can be legally classified as a biological woman despite having no surgery or therapy. That is no longer possible under this new ruling. Another example is maternity leave, where women get more leave than men due to pregnancy. But what of the case when there is a trans woman? There is no pregnancy, no breastfeeding, so do they get extended maternity leave? It's unclear.
But now it is.
What did the ruling actually change? A majority of the world doesn't recognise gay rights 3rd world gonna 3rd world regardless of what we say or do.
Even in Canada and America it's illegal to discriminate based on identity. It's mostly 2nd and 3rd world countries that don't have much for protections. Excluding the UK of course, they're being weird about it.
I just read up on the UK ruling. Its only change is that single sex spaces are based upon biological sex not gender identity. Trans still have all protections under the anti decriminalisation and equality laws.
that's... discrimination based on gender...
how did you not connect the dots that discriminating based on biological sex is DIRECTLY discriminating transgender people??
Gender and sex are two different things.
Gender is identity.
Sex is biological.
In medicine, you're given medication based on your sex characteristics, such as your chromosomes. This means that even if you identify as whatever gender you want, some medications may be dependent on your chromosomes.
Well it seems the court has ruled that sex (xx, xy) and gender (male, female) are separate things. One is what ur born as one is what u identify with (u can still get a special government card proving u identity however u wish).
Spaces for a specific sex can be defined same a spaces for a specific gender can be defined. This ruling doesn't seem to restrict you from opening a female only gym if u wanna.
Any space for any specific group is going to be on some level decriminatory. Eg male only golf clubs, that club of little old women baking cakes for charity (I can't remember what they call themselves), women only gyms, etc etc etc.
Plus the anti decriminalisation laws of the UK and au for that matter are actually quite narrowly defined mainly for the purposes of government run services, employment equality, etc.
Well its not discrimination since the same rights are granted to both sexes equally (yes I'm ignoring intersex its a statistically irrelevant argument).
Not going to bite at this too hard, but how about starting with using a bathroom that matches their identity without people freaking out and trying to arrest them in several states?
What about people who don't fit into a gender binary? How are they supposed to find a bathroom that matches their specific identity?
They get both options, depends on how one feels that day. Or, maybe we just make it universal to not specify who a room is for and get over it.
This is, to be honest, the only correct solution to the bathroom issue. Make em universal and make the stalls more private so people don't feel as vulnerable to share bathrooms.
How I wish everyone would just switch to "has urinals and stalls" and "only has stalls" and be done with it.
They just pick whichever one is the most convenient to use at the time.
So its OK to force people to go into a bathroom that doesn't match their identity?
Who's forcing anyone? There are bathrooms, they can use whichever they want. All bathrooms should be unisex anyway.
You clearly don't actually know anyone who's enby and just like inventing problems.
Should these unisex bathrooms have urinals?
Sure, and maybe bidets too, they seem nice.
Have u asked the average woman how they would feel about that? Walking into a room with 6 guys standing next to each other with their cocks out?
Have they ever asked the average guy? I don't want to see them with their cocks out, either. That's why I don't look at it. What you should be advocating is for more private stalls so people of all gender are more comfortable even with shared bathrooms.
Did you know that they invented these things called stalls commonly placed around individual facilities? There's no mandate that they look like the ballpark trough.
Yeah, the only places I commonly see, where the urinals do not have partitions that block the view of other people, in the bathrooms seems to be old places that refuse to get rid of their trough urinal, bars (though this often because they have bathrooms not meant for multiple people, and large bars/clubs have largely moved on), and arenas that have walls with dozens of them. The last one is likely being cheap.
Nobody ever complained about not having markers who can use which porta-john at a festival. Questions on other qualities of them are subject to individual tolerances.
Moving the goalposts, 5-yard penalty.
Moving the goalposts, five-yard penalty.