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On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)

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[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

allowing biological men to compete as women [is bourgeois = bad]

This is blatant transphobia. Just imagine it with nationalities : "allowing people born in Mexico to compete under USA banner is bad" would feel awful.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Man, there was an example that was actually done by history, right there for you

"The blacks clearly have natural physical advantages over white people. They have had hundreds of years of breeding for strength, and endurance, from selective buck breeding of the slave holders. They have no place playing baseball with with white men."

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The geographic location of someone's birthplace has no inherent relevance to their athletic ability.

Biological sex has a major influence on athletic ability.

Apples to oranges.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Depending on the sport it can have. Come and try to beat some of the old ones of my town to a game of Pétanque, i guarantee you being born in France would help you.

More generally, as gender defined at birth, geographic location can have a huge impact on the acquired skills (different training, funds to sports, mindsets, etc.). The impact of biological sex (and i guess what you mean is innate advantages) is also greatly majored : MTF athletes would win every game if that was a great deal, and that's not the case.

Apples and oranges are fruit, round, sweet, can be pressed in juice, are a way of describing colors, are both the name of tech companies, etc. Just because there is a slightest difference in two concepts does not make a comparison impossible.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Depending on the sport it can have. Come and try to beat some of the old ones of my town to a game of Pétanque, i guarantee you being born in France would help you.

If someone was born in France but then moved to another country as an infant and grew up somewhere else, they wouldn't have any advantage at Petanque as a result of being born in France. Thus we can easily observe that the location of birth is not a significant factor in determining ability, but rather the socialization that occurs as a young person can be a factor. We can use the birth location as an imperfect proxy for making assumptions about developmental experiences, but it's not a direct influence.

In contrast, if someone were born with an XY genotype (male) and socialized as a female from birth, that person would still possess inherent athletic advantages over females. Biological sex has a direct influence over the physical characteristics of an organism.

It's not a slight difference, it's a fundamental difference that makes your comparison flawed.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

3 points :

  • first of all, this disagreements just focuses on the 'birth' part, which is not the main part of my original statement. Replace 'place of birth' with 'place of education' or 'origins' and you got the same result.
  • second, you can always find advantages to being born in France, even without growing there : better chances to have parents who excel at pétanque, better chances of going back to learn, or even better birth hospitals or whatever. I'm not trying to make a good point here, just finding a bs justification, because that's what 'being born male gives advantages' is.
  • last, being born male can also comes with innate disadvantages (less tolerance to pain, less flexibility) and acquired disadvantages (less elegance, more competition), not even including the hardship of being trans in our societies and the impacts of transition treatments. 'Male chromosomes advantages' mostly are strength and endurance, which are not the only factor in sports. Plus most of the factors that disadvantage women in sports come from social background rather than biological ones. And in the end, we cannot observe an overwhelming winrate in favor of trans athletes. 'XY advantage' is just a dumb argument that only makes sense when you don't look further, just as the dumb argument i give for the impact of origins/birthplace/nationality.