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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

Wait till you realize morality is shitty fucked up crutch that doesn't work at best and a tool to control people at... usual, not even the worst

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes but so what?

Humans benefit from society. You can't have society if people go around destroying that society. You make rules and enforce them to stop that destruction. Thats morality in a nutshell.

This has been going on so long that it's hard wired into most of us. For the psychopaths that don't have that hardwire, we have places to put them. I.e. prisons and boardrooms.

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 4 points 8 hours ago

This is a word salad that I can support.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Is this an anarchist perspective? Just trying to see what your broader view might be.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

No, I don't expect there to be any ready label for this. In a nutshell:

  • humans are as much part of life on this planet as everything else. the "killing is wrong" kind of maxims is just plain bullshit, just go watch how other forms of life take care of their sustenance
  • moral dilemmas show by their existence that pretty much any widespread "morally right" way to behave has its limits, yet those limits are somehow "omitted" from most sources that are supposed to teach people what is good and what is bad

also, "good" and "bad" do not actually exist: you can vaporise whole Earth and rest of the universe won't even notice

  • still there is a vivid difference between a kind soul attending to a garden a feeding stray cats and dogs who happen to come by and an idiot torturing kittens in front of their mother just for fun, even seeing these situations produces very different experiences. Substitute humans here with animals and appropriate behaviour, the difference will still stand. So there is some kind of "this is in line with how all life longs to be", "that is not how mature and balanced living creatures operate", but I have no clue even what level to look at to find that difference
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

TLDR: So morality doesn't exist, killing is ok, the way we teach morality to people is too simple, only physical reality matters, and actually there is a morality it's kind of going along with a good nature balance and it's sorta nuanced? Gotta feel it in your gut ya know? Anyway I haven't researched any philosophy or study of ethics.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That is a word salad I could support, as dbtng already said:)

Ok, but seriously, I studied only a bit of philosophy and no ethics, and the question of discerning between objective reality and subjective observer can keep us occupied for many lifetimes, so no use in trying do dive deeper

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you're willing to write it off, then I'd say you're saying your position is equally dismissed. So cool, it's great to say we can ignore you and dismiss your edgelord take, something I fully intend to do.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Lol. You got nothing of what I said, but I'm ok with it

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Still in support. Reality is an illusion. Tuesdays, doubly so. A comet could wipe us all, and nothing will have essentially changed. Morals are power structures. Meaning is where you find it, because you are what brings meaning. This perspective doesn't need a label. It's what ... is.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Thank you :) And maybe it is not. If reality is an illusion and I am only dreaming, why can't I dream myself immortal and stop getting so sleepy in the evenings already. But yeah, a comet could wipe us all and meaning only exists in the mind of observer, this is a hill I can joyfully die on

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I appreciate you giving me your candid opinion. I find some of it fascinating, from the perspective that you're not just subscribing to some brand of nihilism or whatever.

I do agree with some of it, from a lay persons perspective. I'm no philosopher and I'm certain someone might be much more qualified to tell you all about the origins of your belief. Like you talk about some simple coping strategies like, "good and bad being inconsequential when compared to an infinitely large universe." These are just copes we develop to reconcile the brutal nature of the world.

Getting back to morality, i think, the more we are separated from the "bad thing" that happened the harder it is to apply a moral framework around it and even if you did, trying to teach that framework on a scale that will reach everyone is mostly impossible.

So end of the day we are still just picking battles, which is usually just harm reduction.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for the reply :)

Well, trying to teach others to think like me is not something I will attempt: in the end, what I have come to think about anything is just a result of my biography, there is no point in trying to imprint it onto other people. And for the coping part, two things:

  • the world was before me, will be after me. If I get wounded by how it is, that's on me
  • I am not talking about good and bad being inconsequential, I am talking of them not existing as actual reality, same way words do not exist as reality: they mean what they mean only because some people agreed on it. There is nothing to cope with
[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You obviously know that most people won't understand you. I feel ya. People don't understand me either.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, and I have spent tons of time trying to understand why. Did not reach the understanding, but looks like I am starting to accept this as is. Thank you for reminding that not all "other people" are "those who do not get me no matter how hard I try"