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Robber baron types already trended towards this with worker scrip but the productive forces weren't developed enough to do it at scale enough to manage an entire economy like this. Amazon, Wal-Mart, Frito-Lays, Black Rock, could totally vertically integrate to the point where they sustain themselves internally and don't need an imperial core-periphery distinction.

Neolibs will let it happen because they ideologically disagree that capitalism can't be capitalism without markets and thus when it outcompetes the current market systems much like how the non-market systems of the USSR outcompeted capitalism during it's time they'll rather argue that it's simply not doing better (imagine the anti-China articles but they're from the UK talking about how fascist US capital can't be doing well). Also it'll happen in predominantly white systems so they won't be able to out-right demonize it happening.

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[–] GeneralSwitch2Boycott@hexbear.net 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I'd say robber baron capitalism and fascism start eschewing market forces entirely whereas neoliberalism creates centralization but it still relies still on markets, labour markets, etc. Turning more and more into fascism as neoliberal consumes what's left of those markets/frontiers for growth. Like now that they're running out of skilled 3rd world labourers to super-exploit since China is graduating into a middle-income country, neoliberalism is collapsing and turning to fascist economy and seeking ways to push down populaces back into super-exploitation range (China, US, UK, etc.) without the need for markets at all. And the markets that do exist resemble pure gambling rather than anything close to investment since it never seeds any growth that's productive.