At this point they're actively hostile to all American Institutions that keeps them in check and are also actively hostile to the population itself. Trump's previous Term was comparatively tame and even if he won in 2020 it would've been tamer than this. This is pretty much war being waged against the working class by the rich.

Do these people believe that they'll be able to assert total control of all government institutions by 2028? Or is it some form of fascist self destruction ritual? Because right now even the chuds are having second thoughts about their party.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The Republicans stole a presidential election and the Democrat's response was to LET IT HAPPEN because fighting it would be too divisive. From there we get the Global War on Terror and the Patriot Act, and that is the high water mark. Those policies were never reversed. Nobody responsible suffered personal consequences, let alone political or criminal consequences.

This right here. Anybody who tries to downplay the tectonic significance of these events is either stupid or lying.

Seeing the current reality requires viewing history not as a series of discreet disconnected events but a continuum with each new event born from the previous. On some level the democrats understand that holding the republicans accountable would necessitate holding themselves complicit.

And by marketing their desire to "let bygones be bygones" as some gesture toward institutional stability and legitimacy (while actually deflecting from their own collaboration) they have done more harm to institutional legitimacy than the republicans ever could manage alone.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 13 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Really, it goes back to Nixon, and Gerald Ford's pardon. A general pardon for crimes which may or may not have happened, so don't worry about the actual crimes which took place and don't bother investigating what happened because as a matter of law, they're moot. From that moment, there was impunity. Issues of consequential importance for the republic DON'T FUCKING MATTER. Death to America.

But of course, it wasn't all the napalm he rained on Vietnam that got him impeached. It was some DNC after-hours skullduggery.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 9 hours ago

True, which explains why the liberals bought into the narrative of Russiagate and the theater of Mueller Reports and all that bullshit, which was a farcical mirror of the Clinton (both of them) hearings about Libya and blowjobs. They really thought it might work but the whole Nixon debacle proved it was toothless spectacle, even when they tried going after some domestic side crime instead of the massive criminal actions taken by default as a president of empire.

The "success" of Watergate was actually huge poison pill. It got Nixon to resign and appeared to work. But the subsequent pardon and the vector (some domestic skullduggery, to borrow your word) ensured that the business as usual of killing countless innocents abroad would forever remain beyond reproach.

Marg bar, you know, the thing. biden-fall