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This pissed me off so fucking much when people defend Christianity by saying that all of the bad shit is in the Old Testament and that the New Testament is totally fine.

1 Corinthians 6:9

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

Gay people and gender non-conforming people are not allowed in to heaven

1 Peter 3:1

"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands;"

It's still an extremely misogynistic book even in the new testament

Romans 1:26-27 ... 32

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

...

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Both homophobia and misogyny

I could go on and on, and I probably will in the comments, but it's pretty fucking clear that all the nasty bigoted shit in the book just doesn't go away in the New Testament

You cannot separate the bigotry from the Bible. The Bible is very clear that you cannot pick and chose, that you have to accept the full book or none of it, you can't just take the verses you like and still be Christian. To be a good Christian who follows the entire Bible you must be bigoted

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[–] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

think Christianity can be decolonized

Why? What good is there? Jesus said like a couple nice things but you don't need Jesus to be kind to other people, I don't see any value under the bigotry that someone can't just get somewhere else

Liberation theologies

I think a blood vessel in my brain bursts every time someone brings this up. Liberation theology doesn't even come close to making up for all the terrible shit done in the name of Christianity

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Like it or not, two billion+ workers are Christians.

[–] BrezhnevsEyebrows@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Communism is not about tailing the tendencies of the working class

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's also not about struggling over every single contradiction at the same time. There are principal and non-principal contradictions.

That said, because the principal contradiction is what allows the other non-principal contradictions to exist, the other contradictions will always contain elements of the principal contradiction. In those instances we should struggle against those elements.

Calling for a decolonization of Christianity is hardly tailism. It's just recognizing that Christianity can be a terrain of struggle.

[–] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, and billions of workers are homophobic and transphobic, just because a lot of people believe something doesn't mean it's suddenly good or that it should go without criticism

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Calling for the decolonization of Christianity and calling the Bible a colonial construct is clearly a criticism?

[–] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wasn't saying that you were not criticizing it, I was saying that the number of people who believe it has no bearing on if it should be criticized or not

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But I wasn't saying it shouldn't be criticized, so why were you talking about whether it should be criticized or not?

[–] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like it or not, two billion+ workers are Christians.

I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say here. I thought you were saying that because so many people believed that there is no point in a post like this criticizing it. I don't think I'm understanding the point you're trying to make and I don't think I'm doing a good job with the point I want to make here

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Atheism is a product of material conditions, and billions of workers are just not in conditions favorable to atheism. I don't think it's useful to fight them on religion, and instead, we can meet them halfway with decolonized religion and liberation theology. Turn religion into a terrain of struggle and into one of our tools against bourgeois ideology. Eventually religion will evaporate as the material conditions necessary for its existence are defeated, but we have to deal with it until then.