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There's a big difference. You don't blame the hammer used to assault someone. There had to be a human to initiate the action.
AI seems to be directly impacting your life in a way that it doesn't for me. But I agree with you 100% that the way they're training AI right now is immoral and amounts to intellectual theft.
And I can't think of the terms right now, but I've heard of methods to essentially poison training data by running images through some software that leaves watermarks that are virtually imperceptible by humans. I think that's cool as fuck and I love to see it happening. Hit the fuckers in the training data. Which will then hit their bank accounts.
Lets take something that is meaningful to me though; US Politics.
Yeah, I'm angry right now, but if I let that anger interfere with how I see and interact with the political landscape, I'll be fighting ghosts and boogymen while the real monsters are free to do as they please.
Same goes for AI, same goes for any just cause.
Know your enemy, not the boogyman sent to distract you.
The "tech isn't inherently evil" is a tired argument and doesn't applies. Current models have been developed with hoarded data that was taken without consent of it's creators to be used to compete directly against them, all knowingly (with proof) and anyone who defends the practice is complacent in the act, there is no way to recreate it without the mass amounts of data- just the creation of it involves and immoral act not to mention the handing of it to the public all willy-nilly. You started the discussion by basically claiming that tech has to exist now because it's out and is (somehow) untouchable. You are trying to take the easy road out because, just like you said, feel like it doesn't effects you in a personal way and thus trying to talk others who are trying to speak up into being content with what was done. I can't think of a position that lacks compassion this much. You don't sound angry either.
We are poisoning the well, we are in the politics around the globe, we are trying to bring social change while some people are sitting back and saying "nothing we can do I guess" while the solution requires us to be visible. Don't be okay with the wrong. Your stance is also a part of the problem as it just accounts to "Deal with it." which amounts to nothing in this this discussion.
You're completely missing my point.
"It's already invented" is not a point.
"Nothing can be done about it" is also not a point.
"Tech is neutral" is also not a thing.
I think you’ve made a number of extrapolations from the other commenter’s post, that I don’t see them having said.
I understood their take to mean: abolition doesn’t work (as we’ve seen repeatedly in history). You can’t make something disappear just because you don’t want it to exist. That doesn’t mean “do nothing”, it means take a realistic approach that will actually make a difference.
I want to be clear - I’m with you. There’s a lot of things that I wish never existed but in lieu of that - I am learning how to navigate a world with powerful technologies in the hands of bad and powerful people - and being an agent for change without killing myself in the process. The commenter was being empathetic, suggesting you may want to take an approach that won’t exhaust yourself. This person is an ally - and you are going to fail if you can’t recognize that.