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[โ€“] Ottoman@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fedora is backed by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM!

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Nobody has yet provided a good reason why this matters. Red Hat doesn't own Fedora, and RHEL is downstream from Fedora. You could fork it in whatever country you live in and start a new project if you wanted to.

What is so important about these downstream ties that it taints the entire project? (I'm really asking, by the way.)

[โ€“] Patch@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Red Hat doesn't own Fedora

Yes, they kind of do.

Red Hat own the Fedora name, brand, and logos.

They own and maintain the website, the servers, and all physical infrastructure used by the Fedora project.

The Fedora Project Leader is a Red Hat employee (constitutionally they always have to be). The Fedora Operations Architect and Fedora Community Architect are also Red Hat employees.

7 of the 9 Fedora Community Council members are Red Hat employees.

The upshot of it all is that Red Hat has full effective control of the project, is the sole main funding sponsor, and has full control over the use of the name, brand, and public image. And of course the main downstream beneficiary of the Fedora codebase is Red Hat/IBM.

Technically they don't own the code itself (because it's open source), but if that's your metric then no FOSS project can be meaningfully owned by anyone.

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 3 days ago

Technically they don't own the code itself (because it's open source), but if that's your metric then no FOSS project can be meaningfully owned by anyone.

That's what I mean. You could fork the entire codebase today and start your own thing. Yes, that would be a massive undertaking, but we're not talking about volunteers trying their hand at being Red Hat, we're talking about governments with real resources to throw at it.

And I agree that no FOSS project can be meaningfully owned by anyone. That's kinda the point. The larger community allows "ownership" for various reasons, but many projects can be and do get forked and spun into different things.

[โ€“] Ottoman@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I know that Fedora is a community-driven Linux distribution but it is sponsored and financed by Red Hat. It serves as a testing ground for new technologies that may eventually be incorporated into Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). While Fedora is developed by a community of contributors, Red Hat provides resources, infrastructure, and support to help facilitate its development...After the controversy of RedHat with CentOS and the fedora telemetry "suggested" by redhat, I think that Debian will be a better choice ! But it's just my opinion.. Excellent initiative by the way

[โ€“] llothar@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Red Hat benefits from Fedora, just like Suse benefits from OpenSuse. If such EU OS becomes a huge success, with hundreds of thousands PCs running it, maybe it would be better for a EU based company to benefit from it.