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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 88 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It never left. Using it still makes you look like an asshole.

All these "free speech absolutists" still don't realize that free speech does not mean immunity from consequences of that speech from your fellow citizens. It's almost like they just haven't paid attention for their entire lives.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I mean, their position falls apart when you ask them what they think about the college students being oppressed for protesting.

They do not care about free speech. They care about experiencing social consequences when using hate speech.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Yes. And it's just hypocrisy all the way down: otherwise, as you say, we wouldn't hear anything negative about the left exercising right to protest.

On top of r/conservative is a post about "the algorithm" flooding someone's feed with news about US protests. Of course, the response wasn't "hey great! Look at all those people exercising their right to free speech!". Instead, it's just bitching and claims of fake news (and no understanding that there really may be significant protests right now -- just automatically, they must be false). There is no logic for people who can no longer discern facts from opinions.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I do not care about the word or what language people use broadly, as long as they're using their "offensive words" to punch up.

If you're punching up, if you're attacking power, I do NOT care and genuinely wish people would pull the gloves off more. But Joe Rogan IS power, he is so high up that anywhere he punches is down. People with great power who use language recklessly need to be knocked down for abusing the power behind their language.

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

So calling Trump a regard is acceptable then?

That's not a gotcha - tbh the "left", to the extent there is such a thing in the US, would be more likable if it used the language of the actually existing working class to communicate its criticisms of capital. Tone policing is not an effective way to organize the proletariat or to spread class consciousness

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You are a asshole for calling someone retarded. It is so incredibly offensive that you have to be a special kind of jerk to say it.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

What about the word is offensive?

Is it just as offensive as calling someone stupid, moronic, dumb, or an idiot?

Is it that insulting someone's intelligence is inherently offensive? Or is it just that it's one of the most recent to become medically obsolete?

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

i can only speak for my experience. growing up autistic, i was targeted due to my different ways of thinking and acting for bullying, using the r-word to belittle and demean me, far too many times, for hearing it used to mean 'bad' to feel like anything but an attack on me or those like me. when someone uses the r-word casually, it hurts, and a fully automatic system, borne of hard experience, files that person away as a probable threat. i don't understand why people want to use the word so badly, knowing it hurts people, and knowing it's not necessary or even all that useful of a word.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is much worse as it implies that they are disabled due to there extremely low intelligence. The word by itself isn't bad but you shouldn't call someone retarded.

I believe it comes from the metal retardation diagnosis from 70 years ago or so.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Not trying to be an ass here, just genuinely curious, the words "idiot" or "moron" or "imbecile" which were also in the same diagnostic tools as "retarded" so what makes them different?

I have seen earnest attempts at starting movements to abolish these words as well, (and usually at that point a lot of people start tuning the conversation out,) so I'm wondering where people's feelings are on the broader topic or if it's the use of the singular word and how it's used that bothers people the most.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think, though I could be wrong, that when many of us were growing up, the words “idiot” and “moron” had already shifted meaning. So we learned them without the connotation of mental capacity and disabled people. But “retarded” still meant both things.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

But calling someone an idiot is explicitly insulting their intelligence just the same.