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Why is Lemmygrad hated in the wider space of Lemmy? (lemm.ee)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by wtry@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The article you linked is about brutal mistreatment and forced “disinfection” of people crossing a border. As horible as that is, do you truly believe that is the same scale of evil as systematic genocide?

I highlighted the part relevant in the reply above, to further explain America invented the gas chamber as a way to 'medicalize' executions and attempt to make them more 'humane'. Hitler was inspired by this 'scientific' approach to executions that he replicated the design while carrying out his holocaust by using higher concentrations of Zyklon B, which in low doses acts as a disinfectant, and in high doses kills.

In regards to actual genocides though, Id point to the Korean War (they wanted to drop a nuke on Korea, even in South Korea american troops slaughtered 300,000+ civillians and then installed a military dictatorship) gulf war (2 million civallians dead) and Vietnam (Free fire zones, agent orange) as examples of genocides carried out last century/recently, and then obviously the founding genocide of the Native American population.

Also I would say that given America has the highest prison population, in the history of mankind; of which are mostly political prisoners arrested on drug charges, or as a consequence of the drug war (a political war), the ongoing genocide of black americans is yet to be resolved.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you may have quoted the wrong thing. The section you highlighted above states that clothing was fumigated with the same gas later used by Nazis to exterminate prisoners, it makes no mention of it being a way to "medicalize" or make exeuctions "humane".

Again, I'm not American so I'd appreciate it if you highlighted how this is related to "American Liberaism" which you initially criticised. As it is it appears you're assuming whatever actions the someone in power in America takes is "American Liberalism", I'm not sure that's something I agree with.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you may have quoted the wrong thing. The section you highlighted above states that clothing was fumigated with the same gas later used by Nazis to exterminate prisoners, it makes no mention of it being a way to “medicalize” or make exeuctions “humane”.

That came after these experiments on the Mexican border, id encourage you review the history of execution methods in the US, heres a good video on it but feel free to research it, you will find im right.

https://youtu.be/eirR4FHY2YY

Again, I’m not American so I’d appreciate it if you highlighted how this is related to “American Liberaism” which you initially criticised. As it is it appears you’re assuming whatever actions the someone in power in America takes is “American Liberalism”, I’m not sure that’s something I agree with.

Liberalism is the dominating ideology in America, its the one that instituted aperthied and slavery against black people, deported all the communists and climbed to the top of the shit pile that is US politics; you only vote for one of two neo-liberal parties in America, so calling it 'American Liberalism' in reference to americans actions is accurate.

[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Liberals don't even know what liberalism is.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

As it is it appears you're assuming whatever actions the someone in power in America takes is "American Liberalism", I'm not sure that's something I agree with.

The poles of American ideology are theocracy/Christofascism and liberalism. Virtually all of what the state does that isn't theocratic is liberal.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is the most perfect example of lemmygrad trying to find smart but making absolutely stupid conclusions. The Korean War was a genocide.... and a "successful" one. okay.... I got some good news for you

I encourage you to consider why war crimes and genocide are considered different things

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I encourage you to consider why war crimes and genocide are considered different things

Yeah, its a 'war crime' when America does it, 'genocide' when its someone else; I read you loud and clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre

Feel free to explain how the free fire zones/agent orange attacks didnt qualify as an attempt at genocide either.